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that link is very interesting, but i'm just not sure what to do with the information. there are so many things i am and want to study and information is endless. are you in school, have a particular study? free study? |
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"am studying and" |
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My take is that fear doesn't equal love, but rather when you're in fear, it is the situation that can bring out love. I believe that love brings out fear, because it is the fact that we are so attached to our lives, loving what we have, that results in the fear of not knowing what be coming next after life, if anything comes at all. I am currentlya student at northern illinois university, but I most read books and what not on my own |
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well, i never said fear was equal to love, that's absurd, imo. i'm not so attatched to my life, in fact the future beyond my death fascinates me greatly. i don't even see my life as depending on my body, i see my life as the life all that exists. love is a way in which i face my fears, and overcome them. love is not related to posessions for everyone. i don't love my mother because I "have" her, but because I love her for who she is. everybody's expereince is unique, so don't asume that because "love brings out fear" for you that it is a universal truth. |
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Did you guys even read the whole story? She did it because she was desressed as hell cause he husband left her a month earlier.... man is not too difficult to understand why she did it, there is no hidden meaning behind it all... |
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Was it the people telling her to jump that sickened her? |
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well she said before she jumped that is sickened her, and I say that it sickens me too. |
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When I was on a night out when I was younger we nearly got into a fight because one of my friends shouted "Jump" to a drunk sitting on a bridge wall (angel bridge in cardiff Chris & Jonesy). The guy wasn't even thinking of jumping, my friend just thought it was funny. The guy's sister went mental saying that if he'd jumped we would have been responsible. I argued that her brother would be responsible for getting so drunk that he would listen to a total stranger telling him to jump of a bridge. In retrospect it was silly of my friend to say it, but ultimately I stick by what I said, it would have been his fault. Incidentaly the woman went nuts and it was only luck and quick wittedness that got us to escape from a beating. |
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this is why the world must die...and why i hate it so... |
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I still think you could've been responsible - the catalyst towards his death! |
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Reflex-we both read the story, however we're not discussing the story or her reason, we're just have a discussion about life, fear, death etc. Jupitah-I believe fear to be a less complex emotion. You have to acknowledge that some emotions do not involve as much as others. Some emotions are more basic and directly rlated to the more physical aspect of life, such as hunger, temperature differences, and pain. I never said that love has anything to do with possession, so I'm not sure why you brought that up. I commented that community envokes love in the sense that as you live in a community you more frequently deal with and are put into situations that call upon more complex emotions. I don't think that you have to be in a community to experience love, but rather you are more likely. I think that the fear of death is something built into one's existence, as a part of fearing the most basic; pain, as well as the complex; uncertainty. No species wants to see it's end. However I do believe you can choose to either embrace this or reject it and be more open about death, as you commented, being fascinated with your death. This is what I meant by love brings out fear, using love to represent our wanting to live, and fear representing fear of death. I did not say that this was a universal truth, I assume that you know this is my opinion since we are merely speaking back and fourth. |
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But, my friend who shouted to jump was also drunk. So any loss of responbility you level at the drunk enticed to jump must also apply to my friend who told him to jump. If there is no loss of responsibilty, the drunk must be completely responsible for his actions. |
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The fact that both parties were drunk does not excuse the dire consequences that could've ensued! |
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being drunk is no excuse to do anything, even when extreemly hammered, Ive never done anything I regreted when I was really drunk. Ive done dumb stuff, but I always knew what I was doing. Always. I guess I understand this discussion, it just seemed a little weird to come back to my topic and see this going on, thats all. |
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The people involved are discussing it: It was quite bad, there was a point where it was very hair trigger, almost who was going to strike first. I had keys gripped like a knuckle duster in my pocket and the other guy had a knife. It got to staring match level, everyone else waiting to just join in when it kicked off... Ceri JC says: The other guy bottled it, and in as many words demanded an apology, I said we were going home and that was it. Ceri JC says: It probably helped that I had my face in camo paint and was wearing a hooded top with the hood up so I looked like a psychopath. Chris says: 'camo paint' - explain why? Ceri JC says: Um, I was in a nightclub and a friend had some and for some reason I agreed to let him paint my face with them. IT looked pretty weird as he did my eyelids, ears and neck, so you couldn't see any of my skin. Chris says: Strange....very strange....and you wonder why people come up and want to start a fight! Chris says: Ceri JC says: I'm actually talking to one of the individuals concerned right now... Chris says: I hope you are telling them how I think you couldve ended up in prison! |
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I don't like the way those 5 complete strangers sided with them w/o even talking to us... The American That Moved To Wales And Then Back Again says: yeah I know and there was also a bunch more of them who were across the road Ceri JC says: It would have been the killing fields if it had kicked off... The American That Moved To Wales And Then Back Again says: they just took the woman's side to act chivalrous The American That Moved To Wales And Then Back Again says: yep...we all would have gotten bloody Chris says: Yes but some of you had face paint on and were drunk, the total strangers were probably just listening to the 'more normal' or those involved! Ceri JC says: Do you remember the fat guy saying he had a knife? The American That Moved To Wales And Then Back Again says: those women were hardly sober or normal.....they were psycho The American That Moved To Wales And Then Back Again says: yeah....then there was also the really small skinny guy would thought he was hard Chris says: ie. you lot were the only ones with paint all over your faces - which is a bit strange, no matter how much fun you thought it was! |
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Are you posting all of this to boost your 'words per posting' status Ceri? ;) |
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You're a fine one to talk... |
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The amount of words I type 'per posting' has never concerned me before ever! |
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"it is the fact that we are so attached to our lives, loving what we have, that results in the fear of not knowing what be coming next after life, if anything comes at all." this is where i got the possession issue from. loving is about more than attatchment and "loving what we have." it's about true understanding and appreciation of another's spirit. i love a person because i've allowed myself to look into their spirit, feel them for what they are and accept them. once something is realized to be more than an object, once one has seen beyond the physicality, it can be loved. love can lead to attatchment or dependancy, but it is not inherent in love. i have a friend who i love, but for certain reasons i don't want to see him ever again; it's for the best. my worst relationships were the ones that involved me becoming attatched to the person and denying myself the ability to be happy without their presence. the healthiest relationships that i observe have that quality of freedom between the couple without the worries and fear of being away from eachother. |
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maybe love is not the most complex, but the deepest and most powerful. we fear the expereince of strong emotions and the expression of them by ourselves or by others (we are taught from birth both implicitly and explicitly not to let too much emotion show and we repress it). i think the complexity might be relative to the individual, and i'm not sure complexity matters. the issue i was raising was that love iss primordial and i was trying to justify this, but maybe all emotions have always been and evolution is the process of facing them, letting them rise to the surface. if love exists today then it always has because nobody created it. because of it's magnitude it's the last to be let out of the cage and dealt with. the denial of love, the way we shut our eyes to the true spirit of others is how we are able to murder and cause pain on others and it is what allows for war. the soldier has to dehumanize the enemy. i guess i don't disagree with you that love can bring out fear, but these are fears that have existed. love does not create them, but forces us to consider very serious things including our fear of string emotions (love) and how to deal with them. |
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love is complex. you are totally right, and i do acknowledge that emotions like hunger are more dependant on those things in your immediate consciousness. but pain is not completely tied to the immediate. pain can be felt because of things from the past, things on the other side of the earth, or for reasons we don't understand. i don't think fear is any less complex either. think of stage fright. it is not simple. fear is deep; bad trips aren't caused by drugs alone, but certain drugs (psychedelics... disolving the barriers we create for our comfort between the conscious mind and the subconscious) make it difficult to ignore fears that have existed in the subconscious and the sensitivity that one feels while tripping often makes it difficult to face in a healthy manner one's fears and overcome them. that is why i said fear is related to love, because they are both very deep and powerful. you'll have to excuse me, i don't even know if i'm countering anything you said at this point, or if i'm just talking to you... and despite all you've said, i'm not sure i have a clear picture of how you understand these things as we come from very different angles. |
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