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The nature of suffering
 

offline welt on 2020-09-22 12:35 [#02606242]
Points: 2019 Status: Regular



So there are various takes on how evil, suffering, pain and
the like enter the world

Plato; Plotinus; Leibniz; Spinoza: Due to ignorance of your
'true' self you choose actions that don't benefit you and
thus fall back on you to plague you

Darwinian evolution: suffering can help evade threats to
DNA-reproudction and thus has a role

Jewish mysticism (Zohar): God's original relationship to
those he created is pure affirming love for every individual
... but pure affirmation becomes incoherent when those
individual creatures want to harm each other ... so out of
this tension dialectically God has to re-emerge as a Judging
God. ... now the capacity of Judgement can get divorced from
the capacity to Love and when that happens the hells, demons
etc. come into existence.

Marx: The material conditions make it necessary that human
beings have to work. The original material conditions are so
that work will be organized in such a way that there are
owners of production-facitilites and workers. The owners
exploit the workers and thus great suffering appears.

And so on ... and so on....

What do you think is the source of your suffering?



 

offline mermaidman on 2020-09-22 12:59 [#02606243]
Points: 6242 Status: Regular



i suffered for a while when epic lost his bullshit channel
but i'm okay now


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-22 16:19 [#02606244]
Points: 27848 Status: Regular



Physical pain aside, suffering to me is usually self
inflicted, not letting go of things in the past,


 

offline kei9 from Argentina on 2020-09-22 17:05 [#02606245]
Points: 272 Status: Lurker



the source of suffering is consciousness


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-09-22 17:50 [#02606246]
Points: 2789 Status: Regular



Accept disgrace willingly.
Accept misfortune as the human condition.

What do you mean by "Accept disgrace willingly"?
Accept being unimportant.
Do not be concerned with loss or gain.
This is called "accepting disgrace willingly."

What do you mean by "Accept misfortune as the human
condition"?
Misfortune comes from having a body.
Without a body, how could there be misfortune?

Surrender yourself humbly; then you can be trusted to care
for all things.
Love the world as your own self; then you can truly care for
all things.


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2020-09-23 09:26 [#02606255]
Points: 30759 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag



well written Tiny


 

offline Portnoy on 2020-09-23 12:14 [#02606262]
Points: 1421 Status: Lurker



mermaidman
slow drivers
people who jump to conclusions
my work
my imbalanced mind
the deep scar on my left foot
body corporates
our leaking windows
lazy McDonalds employees the world over
assholes with loud motorcycle engines
me

etc etc..




 

offline Portnoy on 2020-09-23 12:18 [#02606263]
Points: 1421 Status: Lurker



don't really consider myself suffering

my kidney stone last year... that was true suffering


 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2020-09-23 12:51 [#02606265]
Points: 1247 Status: Lurker



Windows updates.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-23 12:54 [#02606266]
Points: 27848 Status: Regular | Followup to Roger Wilco: #02606265



they are no joke, also hanging browsers/programs

waiting in for a parcel


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-23 12:54 [#02606267]
Points: 27848 Status: Regular



Needing a piss for 2 hours in the back of a recovery vehicle
after a car crash, happened to me last weekend


 

offline Portnoy on 2020-09-23 13:19 [#02606268]
Points: 1421 Status: Lurker | Followup to Hyperflake: #02606267



you were in the crash??


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-23 13:30 [#02606269]
Points: 27848 Status: Regular | Followup to Portnoy: #02606268



yeah outside of Telford in Shropshire. was a passenger in
the back seat. Hit 3 cars at a roundabout, breaks either
failed or was human error, not sure yet


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-23 13:31 [#02606270]
Points: 27848 Status: Regular



got minor whiplash, it was surreal rather than scary


 

offline Portnoy on 2020-09-23 13:34 [#02606271]
Points: 1421 Status: Lurker | Followup to Hyperflake: #02606270



Jesus glad you're ok.

ive been in a crash, I remember it happening quickly, yet in
slow motion, was also in the back seat...we were driving out
of a small road I could see the car heading into us but it
was too late


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-09-23 14:48 [#02606272]
Points: 2789 Status: Regular



I was in one with a driver who was all gooched up on fool's
juice, she plowed into the back of a parked dump truck at
20mph and we were all fine except for her car, the hood
accordioned. Why was I in a car with a drunk driver? I was
young and so so so dumb.

Glad you're OK, Hyper.


 

offline mermaidman on 2020-09-23 15:02 [#02606273]
Points: 6242 Status: Regular | Followup to Portnoy: #02606262



it's cause i didn't send him my dnb mix he can't stand not
knowing what i know


 

offline Portnoy on 2020-09-23 15:14 [#02606274]
Points: 1421 Status: Lurker | Followup to mermaidman: #02606273



still don't care


 

offline Portnoy on 2020-09-23 15:15 [#02606275]
Points: 1421 Status: Lurker



There’s two reasons I don’t drink and drive and that’s
because of two separate incidents where friends were
drinking and driving 1. A girl lost her life 2. My friend
became permanently quadriplegic


 

offline mermaidman on 2020-09-23 15:18 [#02606276]
Points: 6242 Status: Regular | Followup to Portnoy: #02606274



OF COURSE you're going to act like you don't care bro


 

offline Portnoy on 2020-09-23 15:26 [#02606277]
Points: 1421 Status: Lurker | Followup to mermaidman: #02606276



I overthink and care about a lot of unimportant things but
one thing I for sure don’t give a single shred of a damn
about is your stinking dnb mix


 

offline mermaidman on 2020-09-23 15:33 [#02606278]
Points: 6242 Status: Regular



hah! bro please don’t make me laugh


 

offline mermaidman on 2020-09-23 15:35 [#02606279]
Points: 6242 Status: Regular



you know you can’t get it


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2020-09-23 16:10 [#02606280]
Points: 11827 Status: Lurker



i think the tetrapharmakos is basically true


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-23 16:21 [#02606281]
Points: 27848 Status: Regular | Followup to Portnoy: #02606271



Cheers guys, yeah i could see it was going to happen for
about 10 seconds was probably less than that, time seems to
slow down very weird feeling.


 

offline Roger Wilco from Mo's Beans on 2020-09-24 08:27 [#02606285]
Points: 1247 Status: Lurker



Hyper, you didnt survive. This is hell.


 

offline Tony Danza from why so cow, man? on 2020-09-24 12:26 [#02606286]
Points: 2789 Status: Regular



What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you
into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as
you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live
once more and innumerable times more; and there will be
nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every
thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great
in your life will have to return to you, all in the same
succession and sequence' ... Would you not throw yourself
down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke
thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when
you would have answered him: 'You are a god and never have I
heard anything more divine.' - Nietzsche, The Gay Science


 


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