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welt
on 2020-09-22 12:35 [#02606242]
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So there are various takes on how evil, suffering, pain and the like enter the world
Plato; Plotinus; Leibniz; Spinoza: Due to ignorance of your 'true' self you choose actions that don't benefit you and thus fall back on you to plague you
Darwinian evolution: suffering can help evade threats to DNA-reproudction and thus has a role
Jewish mysticism (Zohar): God's original relationship to those he created is pure affirming love for every individual ... but pure affirmation becomes incoherent when those individual creatures want to harm each other ... so out of this tension dialectically God has to re-emerge as a Judging God. ... now the capacity of Judgement can get divorced from the capacity to Love and when that happens the hells, demons etc. come into existence.
Marx: The material conditions make it necessary that human beings have to work. The original material conditions are so that work will be organized in such a way that there are owners of production-facitilites and workers. The owners exploit the workers and thus great suffering appears.
And so on ... and so on....
What do you think is the source of your suffering?
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mermaidman
on 2020-09-22 12:59 [#02606243]
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i suffered for a while when epic lost his bullshit channel but i'm okay now
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-22 16:19 [#02606244]
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Physical pain aside, suffering to me is usually self inflicted, not letting go of things in the past,
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kei9
from Argentina on 2020-09-22 17:05 [#02606245]
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the source of suffering is consciousness
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2020-09-22 17:50 [#02606246]
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Accept disgrace willingly. Accept misfortune as the human condition.
What do you mean by "Accept disgrace willingly"? Accept being unimportant. Do not be concerned with loss or gain. This is called "accepting disgrace willingly."
What do you mean by "Accept misfortune as the human condition"?
Misfortune comes from having a body. Without a body, how could there be misfortune?
Surrender yourself humbly; then you can be trusted to care for all things.
Love the world as your own self; then you can truly care for all things.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2020-09-23 09:26 [#02606255]
Points: 31145 Status: Regular | Show recordbag
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well written Tiny
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Portnoy
on 2020-09-23 12:14 [#02606262]
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mermaidman slow drivers people who jump to conclusions my work my imbalanced mind the deep scar on my left foot body corporates our leaking windows lazy McDonalds employees the world over assholes with loud motorcycle engines me
etc etc..
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Portnoy
on 2020-09-23 12:18 [#02606263]
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don't really consider myself suffering
my kidney stone last year... that was true suffering
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Roger Wilco
from Mo's Beans on 2020-09-23 12:51 [#02606265]
Points: 1997 Status: Regular
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Windows updates.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-23 12:54 [#02606266]
Points: 31006 Status: Lurker | Followup to Roger Wilco: #02606265
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they are no joke, also hanging browsers/programs
waiting in for a parcel
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-23 12:54 [#02606267]
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Needing a piss for 2 hours in the back of a recovery vehicle after a car crash, happened to me last weekend
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Portnoy
on 2020-09-23 13:19 [#02606268]
Points: 1491 Status: Regular | Followup to Hyperflake: #02606267
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you were in the crash??
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-23 13:30 [#02606269]
Points: 31006 Status: Lurker | Followup to Portnoy: #02606268
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yeah outside of Telford in Shropshire. was a passenger in the back seat. Hit 3 cars at a roundabout, breaks either failed or was human error, not sure yet
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-23 13:31 [#02606270]
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got minor whiplash, it was surreal rather than scary
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Portnoy
on 2020-09-23 13:34 [#02606271]
Points: 1491 Status: Regular | Followup to Hyperflake: #02606270
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Jesus glad you're ok.
ive been in a crash, I remember it happening quickly, yet in slow motion, was also in the back seat...we were driving out of a small road I could see the car heading into us but it was too late
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2020-09-23 14:48 [#02606272]
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I was in one with a driver who was all gooched up on fool's juice, she plowed into the back of a parked dump truck at 20mph and we were all fine except for her car, the hood accordioned. Why was I in a car with a drunk driver? I was young and so so so dumb.
Glad you're OK, Hyper.
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mermaidman
on 2020-09-23 15:02 [#02606273]
Points: 8299 Status: Regular | Followup to Portnoy: #02606262
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it's cause i didn't send him my dnb mix he can't stand not knowing what i know
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Portnoy
on 2020-09-23 15:14 [#02606274]
Points: 1491 Status: Regular | Followup to mermaidman: #02606273
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still don't care
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Portnoy
on 2020-09-23 15:15 [#02606275]
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There’s two reasons I don’t drink and drive and that’s because of two separate incidents where friends were drinking and driving 1. A girl lost her life 2. My friend became permanently quadriplegic
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mermaidman
on 2020-09-23 15:18 [#02606276]
Points: 8299 Status: Regular | Followup to Portnoy: #02606274
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OF COURSE you're going to act like you don't care bro
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Portnoy
on 2020-09-23 15:26 [#02606277]
Points: 1491 Status: Regular | Followup to mermaidman: #02606276
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I overthink and care about a lot of unimportant things but one thing I for sure don’t give a single shred of a damn about is your stinking dnb mix
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mermaidman
on 2020-09-23 15:33 [#02606278]
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hah! bro please don’t make me laugh
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mermaidman
on 2020-09-23 15:35 [#02606279]
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you know you can’t get it
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2020-09-23 16:10 [#02606280]
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i think the tetrapharmakos is basically true
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2020-09-23 16:21 [#02606281]
Points: 31006 Status: Lurker | Followup to Portnoy: #02606271
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Cheers guys, yeah i could see it was going to happen for about 10 seconds was probably less than that, time seems to slow down very weird feeling.
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Roger Wilco
from Mo's Beans on 2020-09-24 08:27 [#02606285]
Points: 1997 Status: Regular
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Hyper, you didnt survive. This is hell.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2020-09-24 12:26 [#02606286]
Points: 3638 Status: Lurker
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What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence' ... Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: 'You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine.' - Nietzsche, The Gay Science
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