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Roger Wilco
from Mo's Beans on 2019-06-04 14:40 [#02579216]
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Congs! Giongs!?!?!?
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mermaidman
on 2019-06-04 14:44 [#02579217]
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i meant to get roger really giong
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Roger Wilco
from Mo's Beans on 2019-06-04 15:45 [#02579219]
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Someone at work got offended when they realised my tattoo says "TERF" in Aramaic.
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mermaidman
on 2019-06-04 16:38 [#02579221]
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i want everyone to respect my vagina but not your vagina
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mermaidman
on 2019-06-04 16:39 [#02579222]
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because i’m born a female totally by chance therefore my vagina is the one that actually matters
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2019-06-04 17:00 [#02579223]
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"In the good old days we had The Handmaid's Tale, and He Man and the Masters of the Universe... now it's The Furry Transmaid's Tail, and They Person and the Mastresses of the Inclusiverse. What in the world, is the world coming to?!"
- Roger Scrotum
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RussellDust
on 2019-06-04 17:37 [#02579224]
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Was just watching videos and wondered what you would tell the woman in this video replying to this video. It’s weird for me as both have valid points while also being passive agressive at the same time.
She’s not being nice by saying trans women are men. Riley on the other hand is being pretty agressive by inciting hatred.
The feminist (forgot her name) seems to want be scientific about it: you are the sex you were born with. It’s fine being gay but not being a woman born with a penis basically. I’m starting to think Riley hates a lot of feminists and that she, Magdalene, hates men and trans women.
Where has my afternoon gone? Thanks Roger Wilco for making me look up TERF... (fp)
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RussellDust
on 2019-06-04 17:38 [#02579225]
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Ah , that was meant to be a reply to Juliette.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 17:54 [#02579226]
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well to make it quick i would tell them that i'm trying to stay away from this shit, but i'll get back to you in a bit
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-06-04 17:55 [#02579227]
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god imagine spending your life quibbling about acronyms and small differences, perhaps im saying that because in a heterosexual male and have never really been marginalised, but I think there is more to it than that,
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-06-04 17:55 [#02579228]
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that wasn't a reply to you darius by the way to the vid Russell posted
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 17:59 [#02579229]
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nevermind, i can't watch either of those idiots, it's too embarrassing
i'll quote radical feminist Catharine MacKinnon on the subject and hope it's relevant to your query
1 - Williams: Some assert that some women/females can have a penis and that some men/males can have a vagina. What are your thoughts about that?
MacKinnon: I am aggressively indifferent to it.
Williams: Do you think the “sex” binary is a social construct?
MacKinnon: Actually, I first argued that sexuality is a social construct, which is a good deal further along the same lines than this pretty obvious observation.
Williams: In other words, if the very notion of a biological sex binary is constructed, that would necessarily mean that any sexuality predicated upon the myth of the sex binary is also constructed? Are you saying that neither concept exists outside of culture?
MacKinnon: Right. And that culture is among other things misogynistic to the core, and misogyny is sexualized, that is redundant.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 18:06 [#02579230]
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actually just read the whole interview imo
it also features some excellent quotes by andrea dworkin, sandy stone and monique wittig
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 18:09 [#02579231]
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more andrea dworkin, this is from fuckin 1977
As a class (not necessarily as individuals), we can bear children. From this, according to male-supremacist ideology, all our other attributes and potentialities are derived. On the pedestal, immobile like waxen statues, or in the gutter, failed icons mired in shit, we are exalted or degraded because our biological traits are what they are. Citing genes, genitals, DNA, pattern-releasing smells, biograms, hormones, or whatever is in vogue, male supremacists make their case which is, in essence, that we are biologically too good, too bad, or too different to do anything other than reproduce and serve men sexually and domestically.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 18:19 [#02579232]
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ah, right, here's the other mackinnon quote i was looking for
Certain things that I have had an inkling about have grown over time, for example, concerning transgender people. I always thought I don’t care how someone becomes a woman or a man; it does not matter to me. It is just part of their specificity, their uniqueness, like everyone else’s. Anybody who identifies as a woman, wants to be a woman, is going around being a woman, as far as I’m concerned, is a woman. Many transwomen are more feminist than a lot of born women who don’t much want to be women (for understandable reasons), who don’t really identify with women, some of whom are completely anti-feminist. The fact that they’re biologically female does not improve things.
To me, women is a political group. I never had much occasion to say that, or work with it, until the last few years when there has been a lot of discussion about whether transwomen are women. I discovered I more or less have always had a view on it, developed through transwomen I know, and have met, including prostituted ones, who are some of the strongest feminists in opposition to prostitution I’ve ever encountered. They are a big improvement on the born women who defend pimps and johns, I can tell you that. Many transwomen just go around being women, who knew, and suddenly, we are supposed to care that they are using the women’s bathroom. There they are in the next stall with the door shut, and we’re supposed to feel threatened. I don’t. I don’t care. By now, I aggressively don’t care.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 18:21 [#02579233]
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.../...
Simone de Beauvoir said one is not born, one becomes a woman. Now we’re supposed to care how, as if being a woman suddenly became a turf to be defended. I have become more impassioned and emphatic as I have become more informed, and with the push-back from colleagues who take a very different view. Unfortunately some people have apparently physically defended their transition, also. This kind of change develops your views is a further in response to a sharpening of developments in the world. But the law Andrea Dworkin and I wrote gives “transsexuals” rights explicitly; that was 1983. We were thinking about it; we just didn’t know as much as it is possible to know now.
so there you go. looking forward to roger wilco's ungraceful snark
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2019-06-04 18:30 [#02579234]
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is there a d'angelo track in that playlist? it should be for anything sexual, pan or not pan
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Roger Wilco
from Mo's Beans on 2019-06-04 18:44 [#02579235]
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For a supposedly sexual thread I'm afraid any ardour I might have had has been extinguished by the thought of a perpetual mature student woman's quail's egg balls.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 18:45 [#02579236]
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i don't know what you're talking about
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-06-04 18:59 [#02579237]
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you are at your best when you are more relaxed about the subject
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RussellDust
on 2019-06-04 19:02 [#02579238]
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Thank you for the time and effort! I’m glad that you ultimately think both those videos are worthless, and quoted some actual “human” insight, even if from a prominent feminist. I really like what Catharine MacKinnon has to say.
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-06-04 19:05 [#02579239]
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u seem kinda french and unrelaxed about the subject
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RussellDust
on 2019-06-04 19:06 [#02579240]
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You get that vibe? I don’t.
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mermaidman
on 2019-06-04 19:06 [#02579241]
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any dick castrated is a loss and a reason to mourn for roger wilco
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-06-04 19:06 [#02579242]
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i cant actually think of much to say about any of it cos its so boring zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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RussellDust
on 2019-06-04 19:07 [#02579243]
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Mind you I don’t know who you’re talking to.
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RussellDust
on 2019-06-04 19:08 [#02579244]
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Owned myself there.
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mermaidman
on 2019-06-04 19:08 [#02579245]
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any dick roger loves them all and wants to keep all of it to himself only
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-06-04 19:10 [#02579246]
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nah ur right. and my vibes are way off at the moment so i cantbe the judge of anything right now
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RussellDust
on 2019-06-04 19:11 [#02579247]
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I heard distant murmurs about Roger Wilco and his love for collecting and drying forskins, which he then infuses to make a lovely cup of foreskin tea.
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RussellDust
on 2019-06-04 19:11 [#02579248]
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It’s always nice to see you!
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2019-06-04 19:12 [#02579249]
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correct, hardly anything sexual with d'angelo
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-06-04 19:13 [#02579250]
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who doesn't love a cuppa elephant foreskins, natural goodness,
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-06-04 19:13 [#02579251]
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have you been to jail?
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 19:13 [#02579252]
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i quoted pro-trans or at least trans-compatible radical feminists because that's really the subject at hand here: is radical feminism compatible with trans acceptance or is transgenderism a terrible liberal feminist (a.k.a. antifeminist) fad?
sadly these days most people think it's a choice between "woman means adult human female" (an amazing truism) or "actually there are as many genders as there are people" (no, gender is a perpetual coercitive assignation and all you can do is get assigned to one of the socially recognised genders, of which there are two in western societies)
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 19:14 [#02579253]
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i'm so fucking chill right now you have no idea
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 19:18 [#02579255]
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oh also there's the fact that "gender critical feminists" are allying themselves more and more openly with the religious right, like with the heritage foundation. it's ugly.
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-06-04 19:18 [#02579256]
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why u ask that hyperflake?
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-06-04 19:19 [#02579257]
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radicalism is dead u should let all this go
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mermaidman
on 2019-06-04 19:26 [#02579258]
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u should let all this go ampi max got us covered
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 19:26 [#02579259]
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nah, i'm not going to let go accurate descriptions of how gender works, + andrea dworkin is very cool.
are you under the impression that i'm an activist?
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mermaidman
on 2019-06-04 19:27 [#02579260]
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he figured it all out and it’s boring to him so please
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 19:27 [#02579262]
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if u think this is anything else than intellectual curiosity you can fuckin die
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-06-04 19:33 [#02579263]
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nah not really
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-06-04 19:34 [#02579264]
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wanna talk abuot something else? next topic?
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 19:36 [#02579266]
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did you read the links?
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-06-04 19:39 [#02579267]
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no im sorry. i really cant get into this. infact i only typed in this thread cos i thought maybe id have something to say. can never think of anything to say to anyone anymore
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-06-04 19:39 [#02579268]
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cant think of anything to say anymore
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-06-04 19:42 [#02579271]
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what's wrong :(
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RussellDust
on 2019-06-04 19:44 [#02579273]
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Oh yeah I totally understand. I just meant that MacKinnon’s (not only, but I want to single her out) views where extremely human in the general sense.
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