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[spam] forest shapes in D-Minor

offline welt on 2019-05-15 20:19 [#02577598]
Points: 1958 Status: Regular

Once while talking a walk in the forest I thought: The
trees and plants look nice because they have nice shapes and

But forms are abstract and this means: They can be
instantiated in various ways.

So it seems likely that the beauty of the tree would remain
if you take the abstract visual form of the tree and
represent it as music.

So I took an empty sheet of sheet-music [=staff, but no
notes] and I took a leaf or whatever was lying around in the
forest and then put the leaf on the empty sheet of
sheet-music and just drew the shape of the leaf on the
sheet-music. The copied shape of the leaf can then be easily
translated into actual notes. So if the visual shape of the
leaf and the visual staff-lines intersect at the
top-staff-life that would have to be translated into an

Anyway – these are the results



online Tony Danza from Bright Moon on 2019-05-15 20:35 [#02577602]
Points: 1237 Status: Regular

I love it, great concept, you could edit and develop these
further, use the shapes further to dictate meta-structure

In order to create their methods, both Euclid and
Guido had to reach inside their own subjectivity,
to hold their goals in mind while simultaneously observing
their own mental processes long enough to objectify what
they discovered into a set of rules. Because this requires
considerable mental discipline, I believe that we only
develop methods where we care deeply about the aim of the

This suggests that the study of methods can reveal our
values and hidden assumptions. For example, we observe that
Guido’s method constrains the music to follow the words,
thereby revealing Guido’s belief that the purpose of music
was to set off the biblical text, much the way a ring sets
off a jewel.

[...] the analysis of methodology can reveal the aesthetic
agenda of its creator. Thus, by examining the methods of
composers, we can understand the inner significance of their

- Musimathics, Gareth Loy


offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2019-05-15 21:24 [#02577608]
Points: 21119 Status: Regular

These sound quite musically nice, not sure I get how you did
it. If you trace a leaf, it's a 2d outline (unless the leaf
has holes). Assuming x axis=time and y axis= pitch, there
would seemingly always be 2 or more notes playing
simultaneously, except the furthest point on both ends. I
don't get how an organic 2d outline fits into fairly normal
time spacing, and if its all in a scale like c,d,e,f,g,a,b
or chromatic.


offline welt on 2019-05-15 21:31 [#02577609]
Points: 1958 Status: Regular | Followup to Tony Danza: #02577602

Thx ... yes, representing the meta-structure in some way
musically would be the logical conclusion I guess .. as in
going from cell-level to plant-level to forest-level to
galaxy level .. not sure how to do it, though :O


offline welt on 2019-05-15 21:34 [#02577610]
Points: 1958 Status: Regular | Followup to w M w: #02577608

You basically got it right. At the beginning I would have a
shape were there would always be 2 or more notes playing.
... But then - on the basis of that 'exact' shape - I would
modify it a bit and leave out some notes so that it's
not just 8 notes playing at the same time. But I'd try to
keep the general outline intact. Also, I only used notes of
the D-minor scale so that it doesn't get overcrowded.


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