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offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-02-20 03:38 [#02569723]
Points: 1342 Status: Regular | Followup to Hyperflake: #02569720



see I didn't even know about the jam and the drain covers

✓ Israel critic
✓ Socialist
✓ Jam
✓ Drain covers
✗ Brexit

mostly he sounds pretty good to me


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-20 03:39 [#02569724]
Points: 23617 Status: Regular | Followup to dariusgriffin: #02569722



ok I I took your first reply as face value,




 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-20 03:42 [#02569725]
Points: 23617 Status: Regular



my main concern is not that if I would vote for a labour
government but if most of middle England will go for it, got
to be a bit pragmatic and say labour are never going to get
in with him as leader.perhaps im being very pessimistic and
there are more people who see through the right wing smears,
but I doubt it.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-20 03:42 [#02569726]
Points: 23617 Status: Regular



excuse my crap replies my brain is functioning barley at
this time in the morning


 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-02-20 03:43 [#02569727]
Points: 1342 Status: Regular | Followup to Hyperflake: #02569721



what was the dodgy meme?


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-20 03:44 [#02569728]
Points: 23617 Status: Regular | Followup to Tony Danza: #02569727



well wasn't that dodgy but his critics latched onto it let
me find it


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-20 03:45 [#02569729]
Points: 23617 Status: Regular



LAZY_TITLE


 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-02-20 03:54 [#02569730]
Points: 1342 Status: Regular | Followup to Hyperflake: #02569729



oh that's pretty bad actually, I thought people were just
calling him antisemitic over the Israel criticism

even if he didn't know the symbolism in that mural, that
doesn't speak well of his cultural literacy and judgment, I
mean that is some dangerous messaging, people need to be
aware of the history and context and meaning of that stuff,
the artist certainly was, given his statements about it


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-20 03:58 [#02569731]
Points: 23617 Status: Regular | Followup to Tony Danza: #02569730



yeah it looked like it had some heavy jewish stereotypes, I
don't believe he had any malice retweeting it but it was a
serious misjudgement


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-20 04:01 [#02569732]
Points: 23617 Status: Regular



LAZY_TITLE


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-02-20 12:11 [#02569740]
Points: 11360 Status: Regular | Followup to Hyperflake: #02569724



ouch, i wasn't being sarcastic, sorry for overestimating
xltronic's political consciousness.
whatever you think about israel's politics (they are
extremely bad), westerners obsessing over israel are rarely
not motivated by antisemitism.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-02-20 12:16 [#02569741]
Points: 11360 Status: Regular



anyways i guess it's nice that he seems to be trying to get
better at this, but yikes that mural thing is pretty
damning
of course the problem is much larger than corbyn, the issue
is that the whole of europe is still antisemitic as fuck and
the left aren't doing better when they're not doing worse


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-02-20 12:17 [#02569742]
Points: 11360 Status: Regular



but if you're one of those people who think it's totally not
antisemitic if you use the word "zionist" i'm not sure what
else i can say


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-02-20 12:30 [#02569744]
Points: 11360 Status: Regular



anyways if you're a leftist, here's a great thing to read on the
subject of antisemitism


 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-02-20 13:57 [#02569745]
Points: 1342 Status: Regular



the issue is that the whole of europe is still
antisemitic as fuck


Oh for sure, throughout the West Jews get credited / blamed
for everything from laissez-faire capitalism to bolshevism.
For any social, political or cultural phenomenon, you can
find people claiming there are Jews behind it in some
sinister way. Historically, antisemitism is endemic to
Europe and not an aberration or rarity.

but if you're one of those people who think it's totally
not antisemitic if you use the word "zionist" i'm not sure
what else i can say


lol no


 

offline mermaidman from the indian ocean on 2019-02-20 14:13 [#02569746]
Points: 5293 Status: Addict



they are antisemitic also antimuslim as well you can even
find self-hating arabs like mohamed


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-20 14:14 [#02569747]
Points: 23617 Status: Regular



Zionism has different contexts, if you mean it in the way
conspiracy theories throw around as in the protocols of
zion, yes that is an old anti Semitic trope and utterly
wrong.

If you mean Zionism as a ideology of the state of Israel's
foreign policy, that very much does exsist and there is
nothing anti semitic about mentioning that



 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-02-20 14:20 [#02569748]
Points: 23617 Status: Regular



I suppose it is a loaded word, but I think some people in
Israel use the idea of anti Zionism as equivalent of anti
Semitism to cudgel critics over the head with, if that's the
case I will not use the word if it have those connotations


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-02-20 16:16 [#02569751]
Points: 11360 Status: Regular | Followup to Tony Danza: #02569745



that link's not great

also if you're not jewish i don't think you should get so
invested in whether or not there should be a jewish state
like, i'm an antinationalist, all nations are illegitimate
to me, and israel is no more or less illegitimate than any
other. i don't see why it would have less of a right to
exist than any other nation. focusing on zionism is fucking
weird.
of course that doesn't mean you shouldn't denounce the
israeli government but "antizionism" as a gentile concept
should be very suspicious.

so anyway, what do think jewish people should have done
after the holocaust?


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-20 16:17 [#02569752]
Points: 13814 Status: Regular



If whoever disagrees with the politics of Israel is labelled
an antisemite then this spells trouble. I don’t have an
anti Jewish cell in me, yet don’t agree with what’s
going on. I can separate people from situation, maybe many
can’t. I guess people start harbouring hate and start
following conspiracies, slowly shifting from “I don’t
agree” to “Jews are evil”. I can see why it happens
but it makes little sense to me. Also groups, people who
have friends who are casual antisemites just think it’s
the norm. Of course what’s going on should in no way lead
to anti Jew sentiment. I guess it does though. It’s
something I hadn’t given much thought because I can chat
with Jewish friends about the politics of Israel and it’s
not a problem. Also I don’t know anyone who’s (at least
openly) antisemetic so I’ve never been confronted to
bigotry when talking about Israel and Palestine.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-20 16:20 [#02569753]
Points: 13814 Status: Regular | Followup to dariusgriffin: #02569751



“Also unless you’re Jewish...” (Or Muslim)

So each to his own then? Is being concerned ok or is it
somehow offensive (if not antisemite)? We’re humans before
anything else.

Are you lot having a nice day?


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-20 16:23 [#02569754]
Points: 13814 Status: Regular | Followup to RussellDust: #02569753



England was a part of this, and although I don’t agree I
don’t hate England or the English. I get ya Juliette,
it’s gotten reall silly in my opinion!


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-02-20 16:25 [#02569755]
Points: 11360 Status: Regular | Followup to RussellDust: #02569753



i dunno, why should one get so invested in whether or not
there should be a jewish state? all i'm saying is that if
you're not jewish, maybe you have no real understanding of
what it's like when the whole of europe kills two thirds of
your population and destroys your culture. the nazis mostly
won on that front.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-20 16:25 [#02569756]
Points: 13814 Status: Regular



Before I head off (and connect 4)

France has some seriously fucked up “celebrity”
antisemtites. Alain Soral is just appalling. The guy is a
total mess. I used to follow his fights with another guy who
some sort of open racist and nationalist. It was hilarious
watching those two fucks hate each other. It went far I
think.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-02-20 16:29 [#02569757]
Points: 11360 Status: Regular | Followup to RussellDust: #02569756



lol you mean the one with daniel conversano? that was
hilarious, those guys are such petty shits.
good news soral got one year of prison last month (i don't
like prison but sometimes you make do)


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-20 16:34 [#02569758]
Points: 13814 Status: Regular | Followup to dariusgriffin: #02569755



I don’t think you can play the “surely you don’t
understand the pain and suffering” card! A bit easy,
unless you’ve made your mind up on me. That I’m either a
holocaust denier or totally idiotic. Also you seem to be
talking about mere opinion here and not activism. Why have
an opinion on anything then? We might as well just stick to
our villages. I’m aware of what happened, but suffering
(no matter the extent) doesn’t excuse more suffering, even
if it’s on another scale.

I don’t think there shouldn’t be Israel btw.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-20 16:35 [#02569759]
Points: 13814 Status: Regular | Followup to dariusgriffin: #02569757



Yeees! LoL I lost many hours with those two cocks now I
think about to! One of their friends (can’t rem on which
side) was making videos saying he was going to be
assassinated. These guys truly believe their own hype!


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-02-20 16:37 [#02569760]
Points: 11360 Status: Regular | Followup to RussellDust: #02569758



it's not a pain and suffering thing, it's a wow our culture
is destroyed and i really don't think we should trust europe
thing!
and i was replying to fleetmouse mostly!!


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-20 16:41 [#02569762]
Points: 13814 Status: Regular | Followup to dariusgriffin: #02569760



Yeah I get that part now. (Sorry)


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-20 16:42 [#02569763]
Points: 13814 Status: Regular | Followup to dariusgriffin: #02569757



Ha ha he’s in jail? *googles*



 

offline RussellDust on 2019-02-20 16:47 [#02569764]
Points: 13814 Status: Regular



Parie qu’il va nous pondre sa plus belle merde en taule?


 


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