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see I didn't even know about the jam and the drain covers ✓ Israel critic ✓ Socialist ✓ Jam ✓ Drain covers ✗ Brexit mostly he sounds pretty good to me |
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ok I I took your first reply as face value, |
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my main concern is not that if I would vote for a labour government but if most of middle England will go for it, got to be a bit pragmatic and say labour are never going to get in with him as leader.perhaps im being very pessimistic and there are more people who see through the right wing smears, but I doubt it. |
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excuse my crap replies my brain is functioning barley at this time in the morning |
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what was the dodgy meme? |
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well wasn't that dodgy but his critics latched onto it let me find it |
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oh that's pretty bad actually, I thought people were just calling him antisemitic over the Israel criticism even if he didn't know the symbolism in that mural, that doesn't speak well of his cultural literacy and judgment, I mean that is some dangerous messaging, people need to be aware of the history and context and meaning of that stuff, the artist certainly was, given his statements about it |
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yeah it looked like it had some heavy jewish stereotypes, I don't believe he had any malice retweeting it but it was a serious misjudgement |
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ouch, i wasn't being sarcastic, sorry for overestimating xltronic's political consciousness. whatever you think about israel's politics (they are extremely bad), westerners obsessing over israel are rarely not motivated by antisemitism. |
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anyways i guess it's nice that he seems to be trying to get better at this, but yikes that mural thing is pretty damning of course the problem is much larger than corbyn, the issue is that the whole of europe is still antisemitic as fuck and the left aren't doing better when they're not doing worse |
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but if you're one of those people who think it's totally not antisemitic if you use the word "zionist" i'm not sure what else i can say |
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anyways if you're a leftist, here's a on the subject of antisemitism |
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the issue is that the whole of europe is still antisemitic as fuck Oh for sure, throughout the West Jews get credited / blamed for everything from laissez-faire capitalism to bolshevism. For any social, political or cultural phenomenon, you can find people claiming there are Jews behind it in some sinister way. Historically, antisemitism is endemic to Europe and not an aberration or rarity. but if you're one of those people who think it's totally not antisemitic if you use the word "zionist" i'm not sure what else i can say |
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they are antisemitic also antimuslim as well you can even find self-hating arabs like mohamed |
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Zionism has different contexts, if you mean it in the way conspiracy theories throw around as in the protocols of zion, yes that is an old anti Semitic trope and utterly wrong. If you mean Zionism as a ideology of the state of Israel's foreign policy, that very much does exsist and there is nothing anti semitic about mentioning that |
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I suppose it is a loaded word, but I think some people in Israel use the idea of anti Zionism as equivalent of anti Semitism to cudgel critics over the head with, if that's the case I will not use the word if it have those connotations |
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that link's not great also if you're not jewish i don't think you should get so invested in whether or not there should be a jewish state like, i'm an antinationalist, all nations are illegitimate to me, and israel is no more or less illegitimate than any other. i don't see why it would have less of a right to exist than any other nation. focusing on zionism is fucking weird. of course that doesn't mean you shouldn't denounce the israeli government but "antizionism" as a gentile concept should be very suspicious. so anyway, what do think jewish people should have done after the holocaust? |
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If whoever disagrees with the politics of Israel is labelled an antisemite then this spells trouble. I don’t have an anti Jewish cell in me, yet don’t agree with what’s going on. I can separate people from situation, maybe many can’t. I guess people start harbouring hate and start following conspiracies, slowly shifting from “I don’t agree” to “Jews are evil”. I can see why it happens but it makes little sense to me. Also groups, people who have friends who are casual antisemites just think it’s the norm. Of course what’s going on should in no way lead to anti Jew sentiment. I guess it does though. It’s something I hadn’t given much thought because I can chat with Jewish friends about the politics of Israel and it’s not a problem. Also I don’t know anyone who’s (at least openly) antisemetic so I’ve never been confronted to bigotry when talking about Israel and Palestine. |
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“Also unless you’re Jewish...” (Or Muslim) So each to his own then? Is being concerned ok or is it somehow offensive (if not antisemite)? We’re humans before anything else. Are you lot having a nice day? |
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England was a part of this, and although I don’t agree I don’t hate England or the English. I get ya Juliette, it’s gotten reall silly in my opinion! |
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i dunno, why should one get so invested in whether or not there should be a jewish state? all i'm saying is that if you're not jewish, maybe you have no real understanding of what it's like when the whole of europe kills two thirds of your population and destroys your culture. the nazis mostly won on that front. |
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Before I head off (and connect 4) France has some seriously fucked up “celebrity” antisemtites. Alain Soral is just appalling. The guy is a total mess. I used to follow his fights with another guy who some sort of open racist and nationalist. It was hilarious watching those two fucks hate each other. It went far I think. |
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lol you mean the one with daniel conversano? that was hilarious, those guys are such petty shits. good news soral got one year of prison last month (i don't like prison but sometimes you make do) |
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I don’t think you can play the “surely you don’t understand the pain and suffering” card! A bit easy, unless you’ve made your mind up on me. That I’m either a holocaust denier or totally idiotic. Also you seem to be talking about mere opinion here and not activism. Why have an opinion on anything then? We might as well just stick to our villages. I’m aware of what happened, but suffering (no matter the extent) doesn’t excuse more suffering, even if it’s on another scale. I don’t think there shouldn’t be Israel btw. |
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Yeees! LoL I lost many hours with those two cocks now I think about to! One of their friends (can’t rem on which side) was making videos saying he was going to be assassinated. These guys truly believe their own hype! |
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it's not a pain and suffering thing, it's a wow our culture is destroyed and i really don't think we should trust europe thing! and i was replying to fleetmouse mostly!! |
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Yeah I get that part now. (Sorry) |
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Ha ha he’s in jail? *googles* |
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Parie qu’il va nous pondre sa plus belle merde en taule? |
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