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offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2018-12-12 22:44 [#02565801]
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Yes it is true. The western societies suck. There is too
much focus on making money and consuming bullshit. Society
should be more focused on humans, humam growth. This society
is not fit for humans. It produces boredom, alcoholism,
mental illness because everyone has to play a fucking role,
to keep this piece of shit society together.
Fuck this.
Spending your whole life at work is madness. Life shouldn't
be this way.


 

offline RussellDust on 2018-12-12 22:54 [#02565803]
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Capitalism brings out evil in people, I would agree. I’d
also agree that western society breeds unhappy human beings.
I would argue that playing a role in keeping society
together is a good thing though, and that western society
tends to make you feel worthless and overwhelmed.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2018-12-12 23:14 [#02565804]
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It can be a good thing, yes. But not under these
circumstances. See, i not a very masculine man by nature.
So i dont fit in the traditional male role. This makes me
unhappy.


 

offline Tony Danza from not today, satan on 2018-12-12 23:41 [#02565805]
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The basis of the moral condemnation of wage labour is not
that the wages are too low, but that wage labour by its very
nature dehumanizes man. This means, for Marx, that it
defeats his natural human urge toward spontaneous productive
activity, converts his free creativity into forced labour
and drudgery, and frustrates his human need for a variety of
occupations. The latter theme - the division of labour or
occupational specialization as an evil - is a sa­lient one
in Capital; and the history of the evolution of the modem
factory system that Marx gives in Part IV of the book is not
pre­sented out of an interest in economic history per se
but as a means of describing the horrifying extremes that
the division of labour attains under the "machinofacture"
developed during the Industrial Revolution. As he expresses
his view here, "...constant labour of one uniform kind
disturbs the intensity and flow of a man's animal spirits,
which find recreation and delight in mere change of
activ­ity."


Robert C. Tucker, introduction to The Marx-Engels Reader,
2nd Edition


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2018-12-13 00:06 [#02565809]
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get. laid.


 

offline Portnoy on 2018-12-13 06:54 [#02565814]
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I finished reading “notes from the underground” last
night and now come to think of it, you've got a bit of that
going on. Minus the spite, I don’t get that from you.

You’re right though, sadly.


 

offline Tony Danza from not today, satan on 2018-12-13 12:29 [#02565816]
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the sentinelese have got the right idea imo


 

offline Portnoy on 2018-12-14 12:12 [#02565840]
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It’s easy for them, not everyone has the luxury of being
completely isolated.


 

offline Tony Danza from not today, satan on 2018-12-14 12:49 [#02565841]
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I can't find it right now but have you seen that wordless
series of drawings of office workers going feral and
rewilding civilization

make man sentinelese again


 

offline RussellDust on 2018-12-14 15:39 [#02565842]
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We don’t even know what they really call themselves do we?



 

offline RussellDust on 2018-12-14 18:03 [#02565847]
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Xlt sucks


 

offline Portnoy on 2018-12-14 18:51 [#02565851]
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No I haven't seen it. Sounds like a recipe for violent
anarchy. Like in Anchorman when all the anchormen have that
battle royale.


 

offline RussellDust on 2018-12-14 19:43 [#02565859]
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Afternoon delight.


 

offline Portnoy on 2018-12-14 19:45 [#02565861]
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sky rockets in flight


 

offline RussellDust on 2018-12-14 19:47 [#02565864]
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I really love that part!


 

offline Portnoy on 2018-12-14 20:10 [#02565866]
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ja, it's excellent :)


 

offline Tony Danza from not today, satan on 2018-12-14 23:06 [#02565869]
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ah there we go


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2018-12-15 00:11 [#02565871]
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hah that's great

i was very unhappy at work as a government shill, taking
money from The Man and largely converting it into vodka and
tears. i'm institutionalized now, sure, but a lot happier


 

offline wavephace from Aspiring Moderator on 2018-12-15 00:54 [#02565872]
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You guys are way too pessimistic. I think Silicon Valley is
doing a great job providing us with new ways to thrive
outside of the traditional 9-5 wageslave paradigm. The
sharing economy, livestreaming, and suchlike are going to
revolutionize the fuck out of the way we live. Some liberals
try to say a Twitch-based economy is untenable, but once we
win the Fight for 15 things are really going to take off.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2018-12-15 03:05 [#02565873]
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Sorry, but i really believe the internet makes you stupid.
Especially facebook and twitter


 

offline wavephace from Aspiring Moderator on 2018-12-15 05:01 [#02565874]
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No, the Internet just makes stupid people louder. Back in
the '90s only academics and educated folks living cities
were online. Then we started expanding broadband to rural
and suburban areas. Huge fucking mistake. Do you seriously
think Drumpf would've been elected if the morons who voted
for him weren't being propagandized by Putin on Facebook and
radicalized by the r/The_Donald on Reddit?


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2018-12-15 05:32 [#02565875]
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I have no clue, but i can tell you that filterbubbles have a
negative effect on people. You can't have a serious
discussion on twitter about politics for example. Thats sad,
and most people would have not expected that, when they were
excited about the possibilities of global communication.
Maybe the people are not ready for this yet, or maybe the
technology is not advanced enough. I dunno, but i am very
disappointed


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2018-12-15 05:36 [#02565876]
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For example, trolling is considered a problem. But if you
take trolling seriously, it is more like hacking or
philosophy because it questions the beliefs, ideologies and
assumptions most people have. This could result in very
interesting conversations, but most people will just block
you.


 

offline Tony Danza from not today, satan on 2018-12-15 13:55 [#02565881]
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maybe a new caliphate can save us from the bug men. there'll
be no room for catradora shippers in the caliphate, beryl!


 

offline mohamed on 2018-12-16 10:09 [#02565898]
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i think Monoid means that people that doesnt manage to have
a role is unhappy. i agree. but i am not agree with the fact
that western society brings mental illness. borderline
experiences make people mentally ill. i feel accustomed to
the system even though i have no kind of working or housing
sureness yet. society kicks you out for specific reasons
usually. and embrace you when you get your shit together.
that way you can finally have a say again maybe?


 

offline Tony Danza from not today, satan on 2018-12-16 13:10 [#02565901]
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holy shit lol

capitalism is a religious cult


 

offline mohamed on 2018-12-16 13:18 [#02565902]
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marx doesnt make you any more human


 

offline Tony Danza from not today, satan on 2018-12-16 13:48 [#02565903]
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maybe instead of pointing fingers back at me you should have
a long hard think about the "society beats me because it
loves me" personal redemption narrative you just posted

I'll pray to the almighty dollar for you... fucker ;-)


 

offline mohamed on 2018-12-16 14:29 [#02565904]
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your sum up of my post is the equivalent of 1+1=54


 

offline mohamed on 2018-12-16 14:30 [#02565905]
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at least i have a god


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2018-12-16 21:15 [#02565911]
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fleetmouse youre a faggot


 

offline Tony Danza from not today, satan on 2018-12-16 21:35 [#02565913]
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if you think about it the parallels between capitalism and
scientology are striking

- hard work
- little or no pay
- expensive self help treatments
- problems always seen as personal, never systemic
- critics and ex members seen as monstrous enemies
- secretive, power mad leaders
- paranoia
- mind control
- private jails
- Tom Cruise


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2018-12-16 21:37 [#02565914]
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brains of a mr robot screenwriter


 

offline Tony Danza from not today, satan on 2018-12-16 21:39 [#02565915]
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mmhmm I'm more of a She-Ra and the Princesses of Power guy
tbh


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2018-12-16 21:52 [#02565918]
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you are making monoid more mentally ill.
wtf u doing dude? trying to make these poor guys more
mentally ill?

belb is hospitalised after trying to jump down a toilet -
deeply disturbing. these people have fragile minds and here
you are filling their heads with redditwoke trash. never do
this again or ill get you and kick your vagina in


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2018-12-16 21:55 [#02565919]
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society dosnt even suck btw


 

offline Tony Danza from not today, satan on 2018-12-16 22:12 [#02565920]
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are you the catcher in the rye, ampi max


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2018-12-16 22:51 [#02565921]
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but if i'd just dropped another tab or 2 i could've made it
down the pipes to armitage shanks nirvana, don't judge me


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2018-12-16 23:10 [#02565922]
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i just want things to be better for you guys


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2018-12-16 23:23 [#02565923]
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This is the solution to poverty/ homelessness/ the enormous
wealth gap:

Uncriminalize lockean homesteading 100% free market, no
government.

If a lizard or rabbit can dig a hole and live in it, why
can't we homestead a house/land? Because of tyranny.

Think about it, the main cause of poverty is 1)low income
2)high expenses. If people can live for free on homesteaded
land, without the 'structural violence' of forced apartment
rentals in a human farm, ie. lower #2 way way down past the
statist artificial slave price, then #1 wouldn't need to be
very high at all. People can even grow their own food on
their homesteaded land, to make both #s nearly zero, which
means freedom and no need to work shit jobs unless u want
extra income. A huge drop in the need of corporate jobs
would plummet shit corporation value and power.

If that happens, all those additional houses that all those
elite class landlords own would plummet in value, due to
much less demand since they now have to compete with free
homesteading. And if they don't live in them directly they
can be homesteaded anyway. The current system is about
landlords farming free range humans and the government
farming everyone.

The basic equation is every human is naturally logically
entitled to 1 share of earth land (earth land divided by
total population). Any human claiming more than this,
especially in conflict with another human who wants that
same land like a homeless person, is initiating force and
has an illegitimate claim. There are other complicated
factors such as uneven population density such as cities and
uneven desirability of different chunks of land but the free
market could iron it out based on the basic equation and the
non aggression principle.

Spread this idea, it is the solution, how is it not the
solution? This is memetic warfare and this is the best meme
in my opinion. Will you help replicate it?


 

offline Tony Danza from not today, satan on 2018-12-16 23:27 [#02565924]
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[scratches chin thoughtfully] why don't live in hole?


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2018-12-16 23:35 [#02565925]
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The amazon monopoly crime boss jeff bezos makes 11 million
dollars an hour... He is not free market. That is
government+business=fascism, a giant centralized monopoly,
corporatocracy. Pure free market is merely all voluntary
trade. All involuntary force is outside of the market (ex.
selling slaves or something is not free market cuz it is not
voluntary for the slaves). But 2 people can voluntarily
fight in UFC and not break the NAP cuz they voluntarily do
it. In every voluntary trade both parties benefit since both
want to trade and thus want the other item more, like mutual
gift giving. The government claims wide umbrella ownership
of nearly all the land, it can all be ethically homestead
since their claim is illegitimate.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2018-12-16 23:35 [#02565926]
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I live in your mom's hole.


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2018-12-16 23:36 [#02565927]
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sounds good but could i take a pipe to this hole


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2018-12-16 23:42 [#02565928]
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tony danza's mom is the owner of her hole so you'd have to
ask her if you want to put a pipe in it.


 

offline mermaidman on 2018-12-16 23:57 [#02565929]
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if you think about it it's not actually a good idea to live
in a hole


 

offline mermaidman on 2018-12-16 23:59 [#02565930]
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but if you don't think about it maybe it is


 

offline wavephace from Aspiring Moderator on 2018-12-17 00:26 [#02565931]
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Are you even paying attention to who's fucking president
right now? Things are bad out there. Trump is literally
gassing immigrants.


 

offline Tony Danza from not today, satan on 2018-12-17 00:27 [#02565932]
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well anyhow good luck with your horny objectivist hobbit
cosplay


 

offline wavephace from Aspiring Moderator on 2018-12-17 00:39 [#02565933]
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I know you're joking, but living in a hole is actually a
pretty good idea. Capitalist land developers have convinced
our society that building phallic highrises and sprawling
McMansions is the way to go, but the fact is these
structures primarily serve as signals of the opulence of the
1%. If instead we focused on developing the technology to
build DOWN we could hugely reduce carbon emissions with
geothermal heating and cooling, not to mention all the green
space preserved on the Earth's surface. Don't throw shade on
living in a hole!


 


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