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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2018-12-12 22:44 [#02565801]
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Yes it is true. The western societies suck. There is too much focus on making money and consuming bullshit. Society should be more focused on humans, humam growth. This society is not fit for humans. It produces boredom, alcoholism, mental illness because everyone has to play a fucking role, to keep this piece of shit society together.
Fuck this. Spending your whole life at work is madness. Life shouldn't be this way.
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RussellDust
on 2018-12-12 22:54 [#02565803]
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Capitalism brings out evil in people, I would agree. I’d also agree that western society breeds unhappy human beings. I would argue that playing a role in keeping society together is a good thing though, and that western society tends to make you feel worthless and overwhelmed.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2018-12-12 23:14 [#02565804]
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It can be a good thing, yes. But not under these circumstances. See, i not a very masculine man by nature. So i dont fit in the traditional male role. This makes me unhappy.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-12-12 23:41 [#02565805]
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The basis of the moral condemnation of wage labour is not that the wages are too low, but that wage labour by its very nature dehumanizes man. This means, for Marx, that it defeats his natural human urge toward spontaneous productive activity, converts his free creativity into forced labour and drudgery, and frustrates his human need for a variety of occupations. The latter theme - the division of labour or occupational specialization as an evil - is a salient one in Capital; and the history of the evolution of the modem factory system that Marx gives in Part IV of the book is not presented out of an interest in economic history per se but as a means of describing the horrifying extremes that the division of labour attains under the "machinofacture" developed during the Industrial Revolution. As he expresses his view here, "...constant labour of one uniform kind disturbs the intensity and flow of a man's animal spirits, which find recreation and delight in mere change of activity."
Robert C. Tucker, introduction to The Marx-Engels Reader, 2nd Edition
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DADONCK
from here on 2018-12-13 00:06 [#02565809]
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get. laid.
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Portnoy
on 2018-12-13 06:54 [#02565814]
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I finished reading “notes from the underground” last night and now come to think of it, you've got a bit of that going on. Minus the spite, I don’t get that from you.
You’re right though, sadly.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-12-13 12:29 [#02565816]
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the sentinelese have got the right idea imo
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Portnoy
on 2018-12-14 12:12 [#02565840]
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It’s easy for them, not everyone has the luxury of being completely isolated.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-12-14 12:49 [#02565841]
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I can't find it right now but have you seen that wordless series of drawings of office workers going feral and rewilding civilization
make man sentinelese again
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RussellDust
on 2018-12-14 15:39 [#02565842]
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We don’t even know what they really call themselves do we?
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RussellDust
on 2018-12-14 18:03 [#02565847]
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Xlt sucks
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Portnoy
on 2018-12-14 18:51 [#02565851]
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No I haven't seen it. Sounds like a recipe for violent anarchy. Like in Anchorman when all the anchormen have that battle royale.
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RussellDust
on 2018-12-14 19:43 [#02565859]
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Afternoon delight.
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Portnoy
on 2018-12-14 19:45 [#02565861]
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sky rockets in flight
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RussellDust
on 2018-12-14 19:47 [#02565864]
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I really love that part!
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Portnoy
on 2018-12-14 20:10 [#02565866]
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ja, it's excellent :)
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-12-14 23:06 [#02565869]
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ah there we go
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2018-12-15 00:11 [#02565871]
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hah that's great
i was very unhappy at work as a government shill, taking money from The Man and largely converting it into vodka and tears. i'm institutionalized now, sure, but a lot happier
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wavephace
from off the chain on 2018-12-15 00:54 [#02565872]
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You guys are way too pessimistic. I think Silicon Valley is doing a great job providing us with new ways to thrive outside of the traditional 9-5 wageslave paradigm. The sharing economy, livestreaming, and suchlike are going to revolutionize the fuck out of the way we live. Some liberals try to say a Twitch-based economy is untenable, but once we win the Fight for 15 things are really going to take off.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2018-12-15 03:05 [#02565873]
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Sorry, but i really believe the internet makes you stupid. Especially facebook and twitter
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wavephace
from off the chain on 2018-12-15 05:01 [#02565874]
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No, the Internet just makes stupid people louder. Back in the '90s only academics and educated folks living cities were online. Then we started expanding broadband to rural and suburban areas. Huge fucking mistake. Do you seriously think Drumpf would've been elected if the morons who voted for him weren't being propagandized by Putin on Facebook and radicalized by the r/The_Donald on Reddit?
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2018-12-15 05:32 [#02565875]
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I have no clue, but i can tell you that filterbubbles have a negative effect on people. You can't have a serious discussion on twitter about politics for example. Thats sad, and most people would have not expected that, when they were excited about the possibilities of global communication.
Maybe the people are not ready for this yet, or maybe the technology is not advanced enough. I dunno, but i am very disappointed
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2018-12-15 05:36 [#02565876]
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For example, trolling is considered a problem. But if you take trolling seriously, it is more like hacking or philosophy because it questions the beliefs, ideologies and assumptions most people have. This could result in very interesting conversations, but most people will just block you.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-12-15 13:55 [#02565881]
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maybe a new caliphate can save us from the bug men. there'll be no room for catradora shippers in the caliphate, beryl!
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-12-16 10:09 [#02565898]
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i think Monoid means that people that doesnt manage to have a role is unhappy. i agree. but i am not agree with the fact that western society brings mental illness. borderline experiences make people mentally ill. i feel accustomed to the system even though i have no kind of working or housing sureness yet. society kicks you out for specific reasons usually. and embrace you when you get your shit together. that way you can finally have a say again maybe?
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-12-16 13:10 [#02565901]
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holy shit lol
capitalism is a religious cult
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-12-16 13:18 [#02565902]
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marx doesnt make you any more human
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-12-16 13:48 [#02565903]
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maybe instead of pointing fingers back at me you should have a long hard think about the "society beats me because it loves me" personal redemption narrative you just posted
I'll pray to the almighty dollar for you... fucker ;-)
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-12-16 14:29 [#02565904]
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your sum up of my post is the equivalent of 1+1=54
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2018-12-16 14:30 [#02565905]
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at least i have a god
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2018-12-16 21:15 [#02565911]
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fleetmouse youre a faggot
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-12-16 21:35 [#02565913]
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if you think about it the parallels between capitalism and scientology are striking
- hard work - little or no pay - expensive self help treatments - problems always seen as personal, never systemic - critics and ex members seen as monstrous enemies - secretive, power mad leaders - paranoia - mind control - private jails - Tom Cruise
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2018-12-16 21:37 [#02565914]
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brains of a mr robot screenwriter
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-12-16 21:39 [#02565915]
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mmhmm I'm more of a She-Ra and the Princesses of Power guy tbh
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2018-12-16 21:52 [#02565918]
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you are making monoid more mentally ill. wtf u doing dude? trying to make these poor guys more mentally ill?
belb is hospitalised after trying to jump down a toilet - deeply disturbing. these people have fragile minds and here you are filling their heads with redditwoke trash. never do this again or ill get you and kick your vagina in
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2018-12-16 21:55 [#02565919]
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society dosnt even suck btw
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-12-16 22:12 [#02565920]
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are you the catcher in the rye, ampi max
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2018-12-16 22:51 [#02565921]
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but if i'd just dropped another tab or 2 i could've made it down the pipes to armitage shanks nirvana, don't judge me
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2018-12-16 23:10 [#02565922]
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i just want things to be better for you guys
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2018-12-16 23:23 [#02565923]
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This is the solution to poverty/ homelessness/ the enormous wealth gap:
Uncriminalize lockean homesteading 100% free market, no government.
If a lizard or rabbit can dig a hole and live in it, why can't we homestead a house/land? Because of tyranny.
Think about it, the main cause of poverty is 1)low income 2)high expenses. If people can live for free on homesteaded land, without the 'structural violence' of forced apartment rentals in a human farm, ie. lower #2 way way down past the statist artificial slave price, then #1 wouldn't need to be very high at all. People can even grow their own food on their homesteaded land, to make both #s nearly zero, which means freedom and no need to work shit jobs unless u want extra income. A huge drop in the need of corporate jobs would plummet shit corporation value and power.
If that happens, all those additional houses that all those elite class landlords own would plummet in value, due to much less demand since they now have to compete with free homesteading. And if they don't live in them directly they can be homesteaded anyway. The current system is about landlords farming free range humans and the government farming everyone.
The basic equation is every human is naturally logically entitled to 1 share of earth land (earth land divided by total population). Any human claiming more than this, especially in conflict with another human who wants that same land like a homeless person, is initiating force and has an illegitimate claim. There are other complicated factors such as uneven population density such as cities and uneven desirability of different chunks of land but the free market could iron it out based on the basic equation and the non aggression principle.
Spread this idea, it is the solution, how is it not the solution? This is memetic warfare and this is the best meme in my opinion. Will you help replicate it?
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-12-16 23:27 [#02565924]
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[scratches chin thoughtfully] why don't live in hole?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2018-12-16 23:35 [#02565925]
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The amazon monopoly crime boss jeff bezos makes 11 million dollars an hour... He is not free market. That is government+business=fascism, a giant centralized monopoly, corporatocracy. Pure free market is merely all voluntary trade. All involuntary force is outside of the market (ex. selling slaves or something is not free market cuz it is not voluntary for the slaves). But 2 people can voluntarily fight in UFC and not break the NAP cuz they voluntarily do it. In every voluntary trade both parties benefit since both want to trade and thus want the other item more, like mutual gift giving. The government claims wide umbrella ownership of nearly all the land, it can all be ethically homestead since their claim is illegitimate.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2018-12-16 23:35 [#02565926]
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I live in your mom's hole.
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2018-12-16 23:36 [#02565927]
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sounds good but could i take a pipe to this hole
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2018-12-16 23:42 [#02565928]
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tony danza's mom is the owner of her hole so you'd have to ask her if you want to put a pipe in it.
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mermaidman
on 2018-12-16 23:57 [#02565929]
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if you think about it it's not actually a good idea to live in a hole
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mermaidman
on 2018-12-16 23:59 [#02565930]
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but if you don't think about it maybe it is
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wavephace
from off the chain on 2018-12-17 00:26 [#02565931]
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Are you even paying attention to who's fucking president right now? Things are bad out there. Trump is literally gassing immigrants.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2018-12-17 00:27 [#02565932]
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well anyhow good luck with your horny objectivist hobbit cosplay
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wavephace
from off the chain on 2018-12-17 00:39 [#02565933]
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I know you're joking, but living in a hole is actually a pretty good idea. Capitalist land developers have convinced our society that building phallic highrises and sprawling McMansions is the way to go, but the fact is these structures primarily serve as signals of the opulence of the 1%. If instead we focused on developing the technology to build DOWN we could hugely reduce carbon emissions with geothermal heating and cooling, not to mention all the green space preserved on the Earth's surface. Don't throw shade on living in a hole!
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