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yes its a massive psychological thing, it becomes part of their identity I guess, you know like the placebo effect it really will sound better to them because they paid more for their system. Also it probably would objectively sound good as well, but at a certain point the difference would be so negligible your just wasting your cash |
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what the fuck, that guys is a nut |
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i mean acoustics imparts literally -infinite to +30dB measurable changes in the signal. it's not arguing about whether one can hear diff in mp3 encodings vs lossless etc (but the sampling rate thing always kinda perplexed me because apparently im the only one slowing shit down where that has actual benefits). we're not recording dolphin chirps at 5000khz sampling rate or anything but it helps when im -64down on this lush afx tune |
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i mean you laugh but you actually took time out of your finite life to find watch and repost stuff like that. when you could ahve otherwise used that time to actually learn something new |
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yes that's true, I guess I have a pragmatic way of looking at things, I suppose that rules me out as a audiophile. Some of the videos I see I wonder if they can truly enjoy the music they listen to without a nagging doubt in their mind that they are listening to an inferior reproduction of the sound, |
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yes sorry don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning the legitimate pursuit of good sound quality, just people who buy things that are unnecessary |
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I just hope that Japanese guy gets his ears checked regularly |
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wow the anechoic chamber in that pdf, would love to check one out |
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i dont like that term it has negotive connotation to me (it's a label assocaited directly or indirectly with monetary paper so it's immediate turn off disgust) dont think ive ever said it out loud either and cringe party hard when i hear someone say they are "one". |
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yeah it just makes me think of someone buying overpriced cryogenically treated cables. I like good clarity of sound yes, seems like its a very subjective thing to me, but then again ive never had the cash to have a good pair of speakers really |
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ya anechoic chamber is just free field devoid of indirect signals so you can isolate and accurately measure what the source is without worrying about weather or outside noise floor interference. ie a lab. in loudspeaker terms one wants to measure the polar response (freq response across a given plane/hemisphere./etc) to understand the off-axis characteristics (which have serious implications in terms of subjectively how humans (ear/brain system) interpret and fuse indirect signals or in cases where there isnt single listening position (on-axis in acoustical center) such as a row of seats or wide mixing table where one wants accurate representation of direct signal when not directly on axis of the loudspeaker. d'anto nio actually came up with that goinometer instrument as could be used to quickly sweep a loudspeaker/microphone from various degrees off-axis and measure the reflected (scattered/diffused) energy from a reflection phase grating diffuser (or other scattering geometric device) to measure objectively how the device scattered sound (and thus whether it was efficient and equal in terms of its spatial dispersion). pretty neat stuff a LOT of heady innovation was done and spawned from the 80s after that schroeder guy put out what n^2 mod P can do. things really took of f from there cause now the guys had real world verifiable behavior from predictions for applications (ie studios) that had requirements for complex indiret sound field (ie emulating large room reverberant sound field). |
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oh yeah im sure i dont even think ive ever bothered reading or talking or refuting that kind of stuff. it's literalyl tantamount to talking about things in the noise floor. best not to even acknowledge it and focus your time and attention on things that matter. |
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I like how he started off diffusing the sound with a shag carpet |
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I'm interested in your listening setup elusive. As for playing slowed down recordings, that's moving towards audio editing rather than straight listening where I agree you'd want the highest bit depth recordings you can get and for the sample rate to match the original recording equipment. |
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it is strange tho it's like elephant in room no one wishes to address that which has the most physical, measurable, different (ie wave superposition and freq/time domain distortion due to time-delayed and frequency/spectrally modified indirect signals that impede the receiver/mic/listening position to sum with the direct signal). basic wave superposition stuff and all that but yet acoustics always a bit on the back burner. weird too cause it's not even about sound reproduction in all cases or about "better" sound it's about a neutral environment to operate in as well. same goes for int erior designers who focus on proper lighting, temperature of bulbs, no hot spots or direct LoS to a bulb for distraction, color, etc whatever. it's like few even understand you can modify a room to modify the acoustics. i can put up track lighting or paint a wall and change the feel of the room and impart a signature but most are just oblivious that the same types of changes can be made in a room for sound as well. wild most is high end food places or whatnot where visual is 101% of the planning process and its not till well after the fact you sit down and such high noise floor and sparse/choppy signals your brain has to sift thru and raising your voice and straining to listen due to SNR issues from person sitting right across the table from you. a nd mentally how it subconsciencely drains you because of alll this extra effort your brain is going through. when a modified room taken into consideratino with a few simple aspects in planning process can impart a very intimate sound with all of the distrortions mentioned above removed. it's simply nuts in this day and age of all of the various forms of engineering and high quality eveyrthing from every sub-topic and yet acoustics still buried as if it's some black art magic or something that cannot be changed/modified. |
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ind i mean i dont really have a "setup" per se it's nothing that would be representational of my undertanding of the subject nor what i would do had i free reign for dedicated space without various constraints. but ]pretty muhc ntire place is acoustically modified top down bottom round. (i dont like paintings or photos on the wall so things must be functional). i mean sure for music reproduction it helps tremendously but also for general operating acoustics - ie a nuetral space where your brain isn't onslaughted constant barrage of sparse high-gain indirect signsl to cue on to filter whether they are relevant to my survival or not. very neutral space highly damped (but not dead/suck-out sound which is a common erroneous thing to do) but in such a way y ou dont even get a sense of being in a bounded space let alone a small bounded space. just like having neutral lighting and good light diffusion it can really help keep you at ease. you only notice it if the lighting or acoustics is poor. a properly designed/neutral spaace is one where you dont even think about it because there a re no distractions to draw your attention to. |
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Must be quite a nice space to be in. You are of course right both about the pleasure of a 'neutral' environment and also that sound is largely ignored in improving your quality of life. I lie in bed at night listening to the hiss from a nearby busy road but have never thought to treat my bedroom to combat the noise, which I hate. |
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>> i can put up track lighting >>> or paint a wall and change the feel of the room and impart a >>> signature but most are just oblivious that the same types of >>> changes can be made in a room for sound as well like if u have a big sofa, can try be trial and error to see where it seems to make things in the place sound a bit less 'echoey' i don't want to live in an anechoic chamber tho i guess, tho not saying u do, but i like the sounds of the room, as long as its not ridiculous |
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>>>can try be trial and error well, i could learn about acoustics and do it properly i suppose. |
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saw some deecent software a while ago where u could stick sources and walls in a virtual room and see the ripples go -- vastly simplified thing, but it looked nice.. |
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there is a most mangificent air phaser on a bridge over a river by me |
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*"like if u have a big sofa, can try be trial and error to see where it seems to make things in the place sound a bit less 'echoey' "* a blind approach, but acoustics is a science. small rooms (residential) deal with localized behavior; basically modal resonances and focused, sparse indirect reflections (specular behavior). all of the indirect time arrivals can be measured (TEF_) based on a particular sound source and listening/receiver position and substequenly traced back to their incident bounary. 1 doesnt need to randomly move stuf about the room to solve perceived problems |
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"well, i could learn about acoustics and do it properly i suppose. " you could if that were so your intent |
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"i don't want to live in an anechoic chamber tho i guess, tho not saying u do, but i like the sounds of the room, as long as its not ridiculous " not mutual exclsuvive and doesnt make snese how you phrase it as if it has to be one or the other.. when you say "sounds of the room" what does that imply. does your room impart or radiate sound? mine doesn't. i f i just sit here quiet it doesnt do or say anything to me. |
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" saw some deecent software a while ago where u could stick sources and walls in a virtual room and see the ripples go -- vastly simplified thing, but it looked nice.. " 2d wavetank analysis is paramount for illustrating some basic principles: http://www.falstad.com/mathphysics.html |
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Let me guess, you live on your own. |
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lol |
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