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If it is so great, why have hundreds of millions died from it? |
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people in large groups become arseholes as their individuality becomes diluted |
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why do some people say it is so bad, and some say it is so good, yet some say it has never worked ever and only death and depression comes from it? Why is corbyn seen around the hammer and sickle, is that just coincidence. |
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yeah i think so, i dont think he is a communist, i think thats just yellow journalism, he is pretty much a mainline socialist from what i can tell. From what i can tell about communism, is that it is this radical utopian idea that seems really appealing but gets distorted an co opted by megalomaniacs through out 20th century history, perhaps it would never really work on a large a scale as a society, where its a great idea if you share a house with a few people |
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i.e. it doesn't pay not to be altruistic with sharing duties in a house like washing dishes, but when it comes to society needs and desires are so divergent that you cant pursue a common goal, people are inherently too different personality wise, i guess |
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but why did people have to die? we hear it all the time , 10 million here ...100 million there? were there wars? i heard they were intentional starvations. i know i should read but i haven’t the focus recently.. ive just been thinking |
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i thought it was no matter what job you did you didn’t get more money the harder you worked, it all gets distributed.? ? hence the motor vehicles in communist countries look like they came out of sh&t Christmas crackers, cause no one wants to think or work on excellent designs, cause they would not get the full fruit $£ of their labour? |
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i do wish he would shave those soft outer hairs |
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yes im not sure its really down to communism in as such but rather people like stalin who filled a power vacuum, in any human political system you are always going to get someone exploiting the power structure. perhaps because people under communism dont have any financial/political power as such they are more easily exploited by someone who has radical ambitions. |
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radical ambitions to kill millions of people? |
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yes aesthetics really were secondary to function, i suppose the idea is why would you want to drive around in a vain looking car, we are all meant to be equals. where you can see how i''l conceived the ideological wing of communism was, as thats totally counter to human nature, we are asthetuic beings, some more than others |
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was it a land grab? kill millions of your own people...then take their homes and land? |
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kill all his opponents, political dissidents any one he didn't like. And work millions to death for a pittance to keep the economy on an even keel |
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"Stalin and other party members had ordered that kulaks were "to be liquidated as a class" and so became a target of the state. The richer, land-owning peasants were labeled 'kulaks" and were portrayed by the Bolsheviks as class enemies, which culminated Soviet campaign of political repressions, including arrests, deportations, and executions of large numbers of the better-off peasants and their families in 1929–1932." |
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im talking a car that functions well not about ego . communist cars were total cr$p that fell apart. no one gave a shit about the design,m was it cause they wernt getting paid or a bit extra somthing in return for good work?. look at VW beatles 1938 they all looked the same, nothing vain, that was a car for the people, the things are still admired today. the direct successor was the VW Golf!! |
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extermination of a rural middle class, well what they categorised as bloodsuckers were in reality peasants who had more than 2 cows or something. Seems to me it was a way of gaining power over the means of production. |
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made approx 40 years after the VW beatle |
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yeah i saw one of those in a museum, really cool errm im not sure why they were so shit, probably because they were designed with the bare minimum functionality. endless bureaucracy on the design bureaus |
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Remember that famous Ronald Reagan joke about buying a car in the Soviet Union? If you haven’t, it goes like this: a guy in a Soviet country is told he has a 10 year wait for a car. This man laid down the money, and the fellow in charge said to him: Come back in 10 years and get your car. The man answered: Morning or afternoon? And the fellow behind the counter said: Ten years from now, what difference does it make? And he said: Well, the plumber is coming in the morning. |
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^ haha. when i was a kid, i thought the beatle was a 70's car. |
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so they can get great engineering where it matters like rockets ...do you think those engineers got paid more? is that communism still? |
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i always associated it with hippies |
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yeah and herbie goes bananas. |
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yes their aircraft and military hardware was usually shit hot, i think they know they cant afford to cut corners when it comes to geopolitics, hence getting the first man in space, great propaganda victory for the communist system as well as great tech advance |
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what a great film |
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so the engineers get paid more and given specail proivaledges to encourage them. or maybe not killed also? meanwhile the common man works down the mine builds roadways and bakes bread and gets the same wages? .is that communism? i really dont know. |
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its so sort of strain of leninism i guess, how close it is to Karl Marx vision I have no idea, not very close i suspect |
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Leninism[1] is a form of Marxism, as formulated by Vladimir Lenin. It advocates for the use of a vanguard party[2] to establish a “workers’ state” which will (in theory) establish the conditions for socialism, at which point the state will (again, in theory) dissolve itself to create a perfect communist society. Leninism is heavily influenced by Blanquism,[3] a non-Marxism form of socialism which Marx himself opposed. Classical Marxism[4] on the other hand, advocates for the direct action of the workers (self-organized, not with a vanguard party). Marx himself would most likely not have supported the Soviet Union and Red China; rather, Marx himself used the Paris Commune[5] as his example of a prototype socialist society. |
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so communist leaders slaughter 100 s of millions, pay low wages to working class and high wages to rocket scientists. there are people waving hammer and sickle flags in my high street what do i say to them? they all vote labour and and want me to join them...one girl looks cute but i think she is a third wave feminist. |
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im guessing they are young and overly zealous if they are doing that |
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i thought marxism , or cultural marxism was to end european culture or at least capitalism. why are we not taught this at school? i dont wonder. all i knew was Hitler was a bad man , he also has his own channel on history tv . there is no communism channel. yet 100 milli0ons more died. |
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o.k thanks so at least i am not too far off thats all that matters really. |
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i love the beatle, i wonder what the world would be like if the big banks had not funded the world wars! |
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Anyway Freqy I think you know more about these things than you let on! I honestly dont know much about the concept of communism apart from the general idea of the proletariat seizing power of the means of production from the bourgeois classes through social revolution. |
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" the general idea of the proletariat seizing power of the means of production from the bourgeois classes through social revolution. " i was with you all the way up to " .the general idea of the....." |
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yes the world wars would have probably not been anywhere so extensive if the banks had not provided credit to both sides. capitalism is just as bad really in some regards, its just the only system that seems to work at the moment until someone clever thinks of something more equitable to everyone else |
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its like as if the miners took over the coal pits and worked for themselves, the profits were distributed fairly |
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to my mind that sounds like perfectly sound idea, its just it gets warped because everyone has a different definition of what is fair |
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in the case of the soviet union, the vanguard party of the soviet revolution didn't dissolve and filled the void where the middle class/aristocracy once was. So essentially all the poor buggers ended up working for the benefit of the central bureaucracy rather than each other |
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well i aint voting C0orbyin he called the uk children who were raped "women ...and that this happens all over the world " so get over it! piece of shit. my mate dave said along the lines >i think the whole government are in some sort of paedophile beastiality cult. they all got entrapped, caught raping molesting at private schools and uni on camera and are controlled by higher powers. was not one of these caught with a dead pig ...our once Prime minister.!! |
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If he said that, its truly despicable, do you have a source for that? |
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my mate dave is a bit hardcore but he showed me a few links regards the PM and the pig. |
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there deffo is some sort of evil cult, i reckon, you can see how things get hushed up like ted heath and all that, i think its international |
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piggate |
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oh yeah he stuck his willy in a pugs mouth |
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pigs loooooooooool |
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search cameron ****** dead pig. it was an initiation ceremony for some club |
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amazing , imagine if trump did that. |
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the age of consent ion the vatican city is 12, what logical reason is there for that? |
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