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fuckin ell ... here we go Turkey 'downs Russian warplane' near Syria border Turkish military official says fighter jets destroyed plane after it violated the country’s airspace |
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my first reaction was uh oh, that Turkish president is a right cunt, oppressive, buying Syrian oil and trying to start a world war by the looks of things |
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also the dead russian pilot looked a bit like Duke Nukem |
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imo putin won't escalate in a bad way, he's hardass but not insane erdogan has really stepped on his dick and I can imagine lots of eu / nato pressure on him rn |
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^your right Putin wont start a war over one plane, its interesting to see Turk be so antagonistic towards Russia, sort of like kicking a hornets nest, i think what will happen is that Russia will just send more jets to the area now |
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Unsurprisingly I fucking hate Turkey politically. I have worked in a Turkish run company and, I don't know if it's a national trait, or just an aspect of human nature they've overdeveloped, but their capacity to tell you it definitely is raining whilst it's blatantly obvious that they're pissing on you is second to none. Turkey are pissed that the Russians are targeting ISIS oil which Turkey is buying cheaply. Turkey is ISIS's friend, and is used for smuggling and importing recruits from all over the world. ISIS allows Erdogan bomb some troublesome peace protesters just before the election and blame it on them so that the country believes they need a "strong man". Turkey wants to join Europe. For some batso reason I need to investigate, Britain wants Turkey to join Europe (Blair very much so, lightweight Cameron as well). As part of their deal to stop facilitating migrants leaving from their shores to Europe they want visa restrictions relaxed on Turks going to Europe. One way or another, they're all coming to Europe. Bottom line. We need to take back Constantinople. |
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Mainly I think he'll use it for political capital and give one of his tsking, finger wagging speeches at the UN and shame the west over how Erdogan was funnelling support to the "moderate" rebels in Syria. Tsk tsk, shame on you guys playing chess on the grand chessboard, as though he weren't doing that too. |
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yes its all part of the great game, dobby plays well ive been dead set against Turkey joining the EU ever since i saw midnight express |
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Well cheap oil is partly / mainly why Russia is in this. Russia's whole economy is dependent on oil exports. They want Syria as their client state in the ME. ISIS won't be anyone's client state and won't attend OPEC meetings to set price targets. |
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yeah Syria has always been in the soviet sphere of influence like Ukraine, its in their national/security interests to keep that influence, suppose it also is a propaganda victory if they can clean up the mess the west helped create |
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meant to Say Russia not Soviet, but putin is a throwback |
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haha there he goes “Today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations ... Instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours.” “Do they want to make Nato serve ISIS? ... We hope that the international community will find the strength to come together and fight against the common evil.” |
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erdogan has badly misjudged and mistimed this... just when Russia and Nato / EU were finding some rapprochement on ISIS after the Paris attacks, he goes and does this. It will make him a pariah, not a cause of the west. |
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the only reason i can think of is that erdogan has a massive inflated sense of self importance he might as well woke u this morning and attempted to kick himself squarely in the bollocks, what the fuck was he thinking, i hope he likes an extra lump of polonium in his tea |
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hahahaha |
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Never trust a Turk. He will stab you in the back and then call you a traitor. |
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One would think so ... but Nato will need to reframe this type of rhetoric: Nato ready to 'defend' Turkey as Russia strikes Syria Alliance’s secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, makes comment after violations of Turkish airspace by Russian jets conducting airstrikes in Syria It remains unclear which way this cookie will crumble, e.g., Britain’s foreign secretary, Philip Hammond, has accused a Labour MP of being an “apologist for Russian actions” after questions were raised in Parliament about Turkey’s reliability as a British ally. |
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I reckon Putin would be really good at Jenga, kerplunk, buckaroo he looks like a real cool customer, Phillip Hammond using an ad hominem deflection there, |
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Ah, that puts Putin's comments about Nato in a clearer context. What he's probably looking for here is some immediate rhetoric censuring Turkey and expressing solidarity with Russia. I mean, he's practically written and delivered the script of what he wants to hear. |
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this guy is bang on imo: "Much will depend on where Washington falls, of course, but if Moscow can get even a crumb of contrition from Ankara or sympathy from Europe, then we can expect this to be splashed on Russian TV and allow the Kremlin to let this slide a little." LAZY_TITLE |
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I expect some real military show of force on the part of the Russians, they will probably shoot a few cruise missiles above Turkish airspace in to Syria now or something like that, Putin will want to show that pro active persona he has, that my guess anyway, interesting article that, even though i dont particular like him i think Putin isnt a reactionary he is quite intellegent |
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If he gets conciliation he'll wait to retaliate and do it by proxy, he won't do it openly. But he will retaliate somehow. |
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yeah he will do it in a subtle way that isnt incriminating but will leave absolutely no doubt that he ordered it, |
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Lol...Duke nukem |
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I was wondering if China is going to have an opinion about it. |
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yeah im not sure about the Chinese, from what i know their primary concern seems to be the south china sea and their little domain of influence, territorial disputes i get the impression they look east and south more than they look west, i think whatever takes a critical eye off of their activities is probably welcome by them |
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Seymour Hersch - , Apr 4 Barring a major change in policy by Obama, Turkey’s meddling in the Syrian civil war is likely to go on. ‘I asked my colleagues if there was any way to stop Erdoğan’s continued support for the rebels, especially now that it’s going so wrong,’ the former intelligence official told me. ‘The answer was: “We’re screwed.” We could go public if it was somebody other than Erdoğan, but Turkey is a special case. They’re a Nato ally. The Turks don’t trust the West. They can’t live with us if we take any active role against Turkish interests. If we went public with what we know about Erdoğan’s role with the gas, it’d be disastrous. The Turks would say: “We hate you for telling us what we can and can’t do.”’ |
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^ really fascinating article fanks |
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politicians or football players, who's the most famous |
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that reminds me when gordon brown was prime minister, he was prime minister wasnt he or am i just imagining it, he is like a mental emetic in human form, |
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welp, it's been real |
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as everyone has been pointing out on social media, what a shitehawk his son is, to be honest i forgot he even had a son in parliament, |
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I know G brown was bulimic, I remember wondering how he did any work at all. on the subject of food this is for you..... |
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i saw a short clip of his son today ...almost an opposite view to Mr Tony Benn on war. |
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Oh cheers, i love the millenium falcon, lando is my fave character, i remember being unusually concerned with the technical specifications of imaginary star wars space ships, mon calamari is my favourite, then the phantom menance came out and the bastadized originals i havent watched them since yes, weirdly he looks a bit like lembic opik, limbic opek whatever he is called |
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limb bic oh peek |
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anyway im due to put my christmas decorations up this weekend but its hard to have a good time listening to bad christmas carols whilst people are being blown to smithereens, especially as the local mp i voted for also voted for air strikes |
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redletter media can help ease all your pains regarding star wars. funny reviews too. : ) |
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yes, i made my brother watch the whole phantom menace one, the gambling deal for the pod race bit is very funny |
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im still astonished how much of a clusterfuck that film is, i love the bit where he is surrounded by yes men in the editing suite and you can tell they desperately want to say this is a bit shit, but they cant |
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I almost wore out my star wars vhs tape as a kid, i know all the sounds so well. lucas story is absolutely excellent and beautiful. the mystical spiritual side of the originals is so perfect. he should have made ep 7 8 9 in the eighties with the original cast, 100's of millions of kids wanted it. and adults too. hey i hope ep7 will be fun. not long now : ) |
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yes when he introduced the midichlorians part it took away the essence, the mystical idea of the force which really is the whole crux of the star wars universe, its the kind of reductionism i dont like in a fantasy universe, im keeping expectations minimal for the new one |
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Ahh the original jabba band:) shall have to make a force awakens thread nearer the time. ;) |
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Just hope its the first JJ abrams film i like, happy John Williams is doing the music, cant overstate how good the star wars soundtracks are because they are so ubiquitous its easy to forget how good they are |
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That is what i looked like before when i inhaled loads of turps by accident in a badly ventilated space |
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