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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 20:57 [#02488024]
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bizarre is what jews say when a goyim says something right and true.
for example: 'malaysian president mahathir mohamad's 2003 speech? that's really bizarre. don't read it. it's bizarre.'
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 20:58 [#02488025]
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http://jcpa.org/article/malaysia-anti-semitism-without-jews /
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Malaysia supports the Palestinians Malaysia has rejected Israel since forever Malaysian Prime Ministers openly criticise Israel and Jews
But the media suggest Christian Putin with Christian Russia crashed MH370 and MH17
History destroys media lies very easily...
It's very sick that one country can kill 2 passenger planes then blame it on Russia
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 20:59 [#02488026]
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Speech by Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad of Malaysia to the Tenth Islamic Summit Conference Putrajaya, Malaysia, October 16, 2003
Prime Minister Mahathir:
Alhamdulillah, All Praise be to Allah, by whose Grace and Blessings we, the leaders of the Organisation of Islamic Conference countries are gathered here today to confer and hopefully to plot a course for the future of Islam and the Muslim ummah worldwide ...
The whole world is looking at us. Certainly 1.3 billion Muslims, one-sixth of the world's population are placing their hopes in us, in this meeting, even though they may be cynical about our will and capacity to even decide to restore the honour of Islam and the Muslims, much less to free their brothers and sisters from the oppression and humiliation from which they suffer today.
I will not enumerate the instances of our humiliation and oppression, nor will I once again condemn our detractors and oppressors. It would be an exercise in futility because they are not going to change their attitudes just because we condemn them. If we are to recover our dignity and that of Islam, our religion, it is we who must decide, it is we who must act.
To begin with, the Governments of all the Muslim countries can close ranks and have a common stand if not on all issues, at least on some major ones, such as on Palestine. We are all Muslims. We are all oppressed. We are all being humiliated. But we who have been raised by Allah above our fellow Muslims to rule our countries have never really tried to act in concert in order to exhibit at our level the brotherhood and unity that Islam enjoins upon us. ...
From being a single ummah we have allowed ourselves to be divided into numerous sects, mazhabs and tarikats, each more concerned with claiming to be the true Islam than our oneness as the Islamic ummah. We fail to notice that our detractors and enemies do not care whether we are true Muslims or not. To them we are all Muslims, followers of a religion and a Prophet whom they declare promotes terrorism,
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:00 [#02488027]
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and we are all their sworn enemies. They will attack and kill us, invade our lands, bring down our Governments whether we are Sunnis or Syiahs, Alawait or Druze or whatever. And we aid and abet them by attacking and weakening each other, and sometimes by doing their bidding, acting as their proxies to attack fellow Muslims. We try to bring down our Governments through violence, succeeding to weaken and impoverish our countries. ...
With all these developments over the centuries the ummah and the Muslim civilisation became so weak that at one time there was not a single Muslim country which was not colonised or hegemonised by the Europeans. But regaining independence did not help to strengthen the Muslims. Their states were weak and badly administered, constantly in a state of turmoil. The Europeans could do what they liked with Muslim territories. It is not surprising that they should excise Muslim land to create the state of Israel to solve their Jewish problem. Divided, the Muslims could do nothing effective to stop the Balfour and Zionist transgression.
Some would have us believe that, despite all these, our life is better than that of our detractors. Some believe that poverty is Islamic, sufferings and being oppressed are Islamic. This world is not for us. Ours are the joys of heaven in the afterlife. All that we have to do is to perform certain rituals, wear certain garments and put up a certain appearance. Our weakness, our backwardness and our inability to help our brothers and sisters who are being oppressed are part of the Will of Allah, the sufferings that we must endure before enjoying heaven in the hereafter. We must accept this fate that befalls us. We need not do anything. We can do nothing against the Will of Allah.
But is it true that it is the Will of Allah and that we can and should do nothing? Allah has said in Surah Ar-Ra'd verse 11 that He will not change the fate of a community until the community has tried to change its fate itself.
The early Muslims were as oppressed as we are
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:00 [#02488028]
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presently. But after their sincere and determined efforts to help themselves in accordance with the teachings of Islam, Allah had helped them to defeat their enemies and to create a great and powerful Muslim civilisation. But what effort have we made especially with the resources that He has endowed us with.
We are now 1.3 billion strong. We have the biggest oil reserve in the world. We have great wealth. We are not as ignorant as the Jahilliah who embraced Islam. We are familiar with the workings of the world's economy and finances. We control 57 out of the 180 countries in the world. Our votes can make or break international organisations. Yet we seem more helpless than the small number of Jahilliah converts who accepted the Prophet as their leader. Why? Is it because of Allah's will or is it because we have interpreted our religion wrongly, or failed to abide by the correct teachings of our religion, or done the wrong things? ...
Today we, the whole Muslim ummah are treated with contempt and dishonour. Our religion is denigrated. Our holy places desecrated. Our countries are occupied. Our people starved and killed.
None of our countries are truly independent. We are under pressure to conform to our oppressors' wishes about how we should behave, how we should govern our lands, how we should think even.
Today if they want to raid our country, kill our people, destroy our villages and towns, there is nothing substantial that we can do. Is it Islam which has caused all these? Or is it that we have failed to do our duty according to our religion?
Our only reaction is to become more and more angry. Angry people cannot think properly. And so we find some of our people reacting irrationally. They launch their own attacks, killing just about anybody including fellow Muslims to vent their anger and frustration. Their Governments can do nothing to stop them. The enemy retaliates and puts more pressure on the Governments. And the Governments have no choice but to give in, to accept the directions of the
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:01 [#02488030]
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enemy, literally to give up their independence of action.
With this their people and the ummah become angrier and turn against their own Governments. Every attempt at a peaceful solution is sabotaged by more indiscriminate attacks calculated to anger the enemy and prevent any peaceful settlement. But the attacks solve nothing. The Muslims simply get more oppressed.
There is a feeling of hopelessness among the Muslim countries and their people. They feel that they can do nothing right. They believe that things can only get worse. The Muslims will forever be oppressed and dominated by the Europeans and the Jews. They will forever be poor, backward and weak. Some believe, as I have said, this is the Will of Allah, that the proper state of the Muslims is to be poor and oppressed in this world.
But is it true that we should do and can do nothing for ourselves? Is it true that 1.3 billion people can exert no power to save themselves from the humiliation and oppression inflicted upon them by a much smaller enemy? Can they only lash back blindly in anger? Is there no other way than to ask our young people to blow themselves up and kill people and invite the massacre of more of our own people?
It cannot be that there is no other way. 1.3 billion Muslims cannot be defeated by a few million Jews. There must be a way. And we can only find a way if we stop to think, to assess our weaknesses and our strength, to plan, to strategise and then to counter attack. As Muslims we must seek guidance from the Al-Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet. Surely the 23 years' struggle of the Prophet can provide us with some guidance as to what we can and should do.
We know he and his early followers were oppressed by the Qhuraish. Did he launch retaliatory strikes? No. He was prepared to make strategic retreats. He sent his early followers to a Christian country and he himself later migrated to Madinah. There he gathered followers, built up his defence capability and ensured the security of his people. At Hudaibiyah he was pre
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:02 [#02488031]
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accept an unfair treaty, against the wishes of his companions and followers. During the peace that followed he consolidated his strength and eventually he was able to enter Mecca and claim it for Islam. Even then he did not seek revenge. And the peoples of Mecca accepted Islam and many became his most powerful supporters, defending the Muslims against all their enemies.
That briefly is the story of the struggle of the Prophet. We talk so much about following the sunnah of the Prophet. We quote the instances and the traditions profusely. But we actually ignore all of them.
If we use the faculty to think that Allah has given us then we should know that we are acting irrationally. We fight without any objective, without any goal other than to hurt the enemy because they hurt us. Naively we expect them to surrender. We sacrifice lives unnecessarily, achieving nothing other than to attract more massive retaliation and humiliation.
It is surety time that we pause to think. But will this be wasting time? For well over half a century we have fought over Palestine. What have we achieved? Nothing. We are worse off than before. If we had paused to think then we could have devised a plan, a strategy that can win us final victory. Pausing and thinking calmly is not a waste of time. We have a need to make a strategic retreat and to calmly assess our situation.
We are actually very strong. 1.3 billion people cannot be simply wiped out. The Europeans killed 6 million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.
We may not be able to do that. We may not be able to unite all the 1.3 billion Muslims. We may not be able to get all the Muslim Governments to act in concert. But even if we can get a third of the ummah and a third of the Muslim states to act together, we can already do something. Remember that the Prophet did not have many followers when he went to Madinah. But he united the Ansars and the Muhajirins and eventually he became strong enough
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:02 [#02488032]
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to defend Islam.
Apart from the partial unity that we need, we must take stock of our assets. I have already mentioned our numbers and our oil wealth. In today's world we wield a lot of political, economic and financial clout, enough to make up for our weakness in military terms.
We also know that not all non-Muslims are against us. Some are welldisposed towards us. Some even see our enemies as their enemies. Even among the Jews there are many who do not approve of what the Israelis are doing.
We must not antagonise everyone. We must win their hearts and minds. We must win them to our side not by begging for help from them but by the honourable way that we struggle to help ourselves. We must not strengthen the enemy by pushing everyone into their camps through irresponsible and unIslamic acts. Remember Salah El Din and the way he fought against the so called Crusaders, King Richard of England in particular. Remember the considerateness of the Prophet to the enemies of Islam. We must do the same. It is winning the struggle that is important, not angry retaliation, not revenge.
We must build up our strength in every field, not just in armed might. Our countries must be stable and well administered, must be economically and financially strong, industrially competent and technologically advanced. This will take time, but it can be done and it will be time well spent. We are enjoined by our religion to be patient. Innallahamaasabirin. Obviously there is virtue in being patient.
But the defence of the ummah, the counter attack need not start only after we have put our houses in order. Even today we have sufficient assets to deploy against our detractors. It remains for us to identify them and to work out how to make use of them to stop the carnage caused by the enemy. This is entirely possible if we stop to think, to plan, to strategise and to take the first few critical steps. Even these few steps can yield positive results. ...
The enemy will probably welcome these proposals and we will conclude th
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:03 [#02488033]
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at the promoters are working for the enemy. But think. We are up against a people who think. They survived 2000 years of pogroms not by hitting back, but by thinking. They invented and successfully promoted Socialism, Communism, human rights and democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so they may enjoy equal rights with others. With these they have now gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny community, have become a world power. We cannot fight them through brawn alone. We must use our brains also.
Of late because of their power and their apparent success they have become arrogant. And arrogant people, like angry people will make mistakes, will forget to think.
They are already beginning to make mistakes. And they will make more mistakes. There may be windows of opportunity for us now and in the future. We must seize these opportunities.
But to do so we must get our acts right. Rhetoric is good. It helps us to expose the wrongs perpetrated against us, perhaps win us some sympathy and support. It may strengthen our spirit, our will and resolve, to face the enemy. ...
There are many things that we can do. There are many resources that we have at our disposal. What is needed is merely-the will to do it, As Muslims, we must be grateful for the guidance of our religion, we must do what needs to be done, willingly and with determination. Allah has not raised us, the leaders, above the others so we may enjoy power for ourselves only. The power we wield is for our people, for the ummah, for Islam. We must have the will to make use of this power judiciously, prudently, concertedly. Insyaallah we will triumph in the end.
I pray to Allah that this 10th Conference of the OIC in Putrajaya, Malaysia will give a new and positive direction to us, will be blessed with success by Him, Almighty Allah, Arahman, Arahirn.
Prime Minister's Office Putrajaya
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:03 [#02488034]
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October-November 1997:
Mahathir claimed to have "definite information" that financier George Soros, whom he identified as a Jew, was responsible for Malaysia's currency problems. He stated:
We do not want to say that this is a plot by the Jews, but in reality it is a Jew who triggered the currency plunge, and coincidentally Soros is a Jew. It is also a coincidence that Malaysians are mostly Moslem. Indeed, the Jews are not happy to see Moslems progress. If it were Palestine, the Jews would rob Palestinians. Thus this is what they are doing to our country.
When journalists suggested that his comments were anti-Semitic, Mahathir responded: "I merely stated that incidentally this person is a Jew, and incidentally we are Moslems."
Some weeks later, he reiterated: "I did not say there was a Jewish conspiracy. That was one of the options. We did not accuse the Jews of causing the currency plunge, but it looked like they triggered the currency crisis. Are we not allowed to say anything about it? We feel as if we are not allowed to say anything irritating concerning other countries."
Mahathir also stated: "When a person of Jewish origin does this kind of thing, the effect is the same as when as a Muslim carried out something akin to terrorism."
(BBC Summary of World Broadcasts, October 15 and November 13, 1997; Chicago Sun-Times, October 17, 2003.)
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:04 [#02488035]
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Ukraine's illegitimate new government is Jewish. It has no sympathy for any goyim. The Talmud says the goyim are animals not humans. When you read some silly billy politician from France, England, Canada or Australia condemn Russia, please note which lobbyists have been paying him or her! 'friends of israel' lobbyists for sure.
Look at the destruction of treasures in Palmyra and Iraq, Jews don't care about any civilization that isn't based on the Babylonian Talmud. Judaism is an interdependent civilization of its own that rejects all other civilizations as not being truly human. So the present Ukranian government is not pro Western, it is Jewish with loyalty only to Jews and Israel. Along with strange pagan gods such as Metatron, Moloch, Astarte, Lucifer, Baal. Paedophilia and gay rights (both based on Talmudic discussions).
Preparing the way for the anti-christ messiah to be a war lord who conquers the whole world. This is what Scientologists(Jews) actually believe! It's only a matter of time before the next false flag. Christian Putin will be falsely blamed again and again until there is chaos everywhere.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:05 [#02488036]
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Who crashed the two Malaysian planes? Jews.
What you seem to be saying saying is that it's philosemitic to pretend that Russia murdered the passengers. It's anti-semitic to point out the fact that Jews committed mass murder of innocent passengers on two Malaysian aircraft.
Blowing up two planes full of passengers is wrong. Jews have done something very bad and wrong. It is not OK to destroy passenger planes in this way. There is no justification for the crime nor is there justification for framing another nation.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:07 [#02488037]
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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-epic-life-of-car los-santana-20000316
Carlos Santana explains Metatron
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/903767 Read what the Jew says about Malaysia then keep the victims of MH17 and MH370 in your mind as you read his words.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/982276
Same, here the Jew is laying the immoral foundations for killing 2 planes full of innocent passengers.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:07 [#02488038]
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Jews don't run the world yet. Countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikstan etc are still mostly free of Jewish control. For example these countries still have control of their own culture for the most part. They haven't yet been forced to accept talmudic notions of marriage.
At the moment Jews do control America, Canada, England, France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, basically all the white former Christian countries.
Jews are fully evil, just like Jamie Bartlett, fully evil talmudic Devil.
By the way, Jew, what is Metatron? What will you do when people understand Metatron?
GCHQ office just opened early today.
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:08 [#02488039]
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MALAYSIA: Mahathirs War Crimes Court to Name and Shame By Baradan Kuppusamy Kuala Lumpur, (IPS) February 15, 2007 ShareTweet+ 1Mail By setting up a war crimes tribunal to try those responsible for torture and death in Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine, Malaysias former prime minister Mahathir Mohamad may have scored a few political points, but he has also revived public memory of his own iron rule.
Mahathir announced the formation of the tribunal at the end of a three-day international conference that he organised in the Malaysian capital, last week, to criminalise war. But embarrassed officials and indignant rights activists are still to come to terms with the idea of Mahathir being its leading light.
In a fiery opening speech, Mahathir slammed the United States President George W. Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his favourite regional whipping boy Prime Minister John Howard of Australia as war criminals who should be tried and punished.
He praised the resistance in Iraq and declared that the only way the U.S. will withdraw from the country is for more U.S. soldiers to head home in body bags.
The conference, Mahathirs statements and the Kuala Lumpur tribunal have all caused uproar, with some Malaysians saying Mahathir is unfit for the job while others praise him for biting the bullet.
His supporters see him as a hero who dares to take on the worlds only super power while his detractors say he is just a village bully shouting his head off to get attention.
In letters to editors and over the Internet, Malaysians are fiercely debating the merits and worth of the tribunal and Mahathirs own fitness for the initiative.
The Malaysian government itself rushed to put distance between itself and Mahathirs blunt and even shocking statements.
Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar said the conference and the tribunal were independent effortsby the former prime minister who retired in 2003 after 22 years of authoritarian rule during which he transformed Malaysia from a backwater country into an in
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:08 [#02488040]
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powerhouse.
I dont think our ties with the U.S. and Britain will be hurt, Hamid told local reporters.
As if on cue, Malaysian newspapers played down the anti-U.S. rhetoric of the conference which was attended by about 3,000 people including foreign peace activists, writers, lawyers and judges.
Like other private war crimes tribunals, the Kuala Lumpur version is symbolic and does not have the legal authority needed to summon individuals or impose penalties.
It plans to hold name-and-shame mock trials based on complaints by Iraqis and Palestinians against leaders like Bush, Blair, Howard and Israels former prime minister Ariel Sharon.
Mahathir said the tribunal was necessary as an alternative to the International Criminal Court in The Hague, which he accused of bias in its selection of cases. The one punishment that most leaders are afraid of is to go down in history with a certain label attached to them, he said at a concluding press conference.
We cannot arrest them, we cannot detain them, and we cannot hang them the way they hanged Saddam Hussein but we can label them as war criminals ..thats how history will seem them, he said.
There are people who take the tribunal seriously, he added, however. This is not a show. But that is exactly what his critics are disputing saying that the whole thing is a show and a political gimmick.
The proposal for a war crimes tribunal in Kuala Lumpur is a farce and will make Malaysia and Malaysians a laughing stock internationally, said Param Cumaraswamy, a respected lawyer and former U.N. Special Rapporteur on the Independence of Judges and Lawyers.
It could deter respectable and credible foreign investors from investing in this country if our system permits such a circus to take place here, he said in a statement.
Cumaraswamy said the Mahathir government did not sign the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court to try war crimes and genocide agreed to by most member states of the United Nations in 1998.
He never bothered. The Malaysian g
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:09 [#02488041]
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itself rushed to put distance between itself and Mahathirs blunt and even shocking statements.
Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar said the conference and the tribunal were independent effortsby the former prime minister who retired in 2003 after 22 years of authoritarian rule during which he transformed Malaysia from a backwater country into an industrial powerhouse.
I dont think our ties with the U.S. and Britain will be hurt, Hamid told local reporters.
As if on cue, Malaysian newspapers played down the anti-U.S. rhetoric of the conference which was attended by about 3,000 people including foreign peace activists, writers, lawyers and judges.
Like other private war crimes tribunals, the Kuala Lumpur version is symbolic and does not have the legal authority needed to summon individuals or impose penalties.
It plans to hold name-and-shame mock trials based on complaints by Iraqis and Palestinians against leaders like Bush, Blair, Howard and Israels former prime minister Ariel Sharon.
Mahathir said the tribunal was necessary as an alternative to the International Criminal Court in The Hague, which he accused of bias in its selection of cases. The one punishment that most leaders are afraid of is to go down in history with a certain label attached to them, he said at a concluding press conference.
We cannot arrest them, we cannot detain them, and we cannot hang them the way they hanged Saddam Hussein but we can label them as war criminals ..thats how history will seem them, he said.
There are people who take the tribunal seriously, he added, however. This is not a show. But that is exactly what his critics are disputing saying that the whole thing is a show and a political gimmick.
The proposal for a war crimes tribunal in Kuala Lumpur is a farce and will make Malaysia and Malaysians a laughing stock internationally, said Param Cumaraswamy, a respected lawyer and former U.N. Special Rapporteur on the Independence of Judges and Lawyers.
It could deter respectable and credible foreign inv
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:10 [#02488042]
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investing in this country if our system permits such a circus to take place here, he said in a statement.
Cumaraswamy said the Mahathir government did not sign the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court to try war crimes and genocide agreed to by most member states of the United Nations in 1998.
He never bothered. The Malaysian government to this date is not a signatory to the statute, he said. In numerous letters to the independent Malaysiakini.com news portal, writers criticised not so much the idea of a war crimes tribunal but that Mahathir is heading it.
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A tribunal should be impartial and have members with an unimpeachable record and with moral authority, one letter said, accusing Mahathir of dictatorship during his rule.
He ruined democratic institutions in Malaysia to such an extent that it will take generations to restore, the anonymous writer said.
The writer accused Mahathir of ignoring the genocide in East Timor, supporting the junta in Myanmar (Burma), Pinochet in Argentina and Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe.
Dr Mahathirs hands are not clean, said human rights lawyer P.Uthayakumar. The formation of the commission is excellent and we uphold and encourage it but it is embarrassing that Dr Mahathir heads it, he said in a statement.
During his administration Mahathir kept up a hard line against Israel and Jews in general. He blamed Jews for the collapse of the Malaysian ringgit during the 1997 Asian financial crisis that wiped out billions of dollars in private wealth.
In his final political retirement speech he accused Jews of controlling the U.S. and unleashing wars across the globe for political domination and access to natural resources.
However, the sharpest criticism heard against Mahathir is for his sacking and ill-treatment in custody of his deputy Anwar Ibrahim.
Anwar spend six years in jail on charges of sodomy and abuse of power, charges that he said were trumped up. His trial was slammed as kangaroo court and condemned internationally
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2015-08-01 21:10 [#02488043]
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convictions were overturned in 2004 after Mahathir left office and Anwar was released by the countrys apex court.
Many Malaysians welcome the setting up of the Malaysians war crimes tribunal which they said raised the countrys profile internationally.
But we dont want this commission to go the way of other war crimes tribunal established in Turkey in 2005 and Brussels in 2006, said one human rights activist.
The Kuala Lumpur tribunal is headed by a nine-member panel of mostly Malaysians and is led by a former judge Abdul Kadir Sulaiman.
Many foreign participants at the seminar believed that something concrete may come out of the tribunal because it is led by Mahathir, a politician.
Earlier conferences are normally academic, activist and theoretical nothing ever happensits all just talkà this one different, said writer and lecturer Kathryn Dyer.
Others felt that peoples tribunals were necessary because the international institutions have shirked responsibility and failed humanity. We the people should find ways to readjust this failure. This tribunal says the people are uncompromising on punishing war criminals, said Hana Bayaty, writer and chief editor of Al-Ahram Weekly in Iraq.
Its necessary work. Its the kind of work that will push the international institutions to perform the functions that they were founded for and not doing, said Cynthia McKinney, former member of the U.S. House of Representatives.
Dr Mahathir is admirable, necessary and competent. This isnt hot air. This tribunal isnt going to give up, Mc Kinney said.
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SignedUpToLOL
from Zuckuss fanfiction (United Kingdom) on 2015-08-02 07:52 [#02488065]
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Still won't be going there on holiday though, sorry.
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truthgong
on 2015-08-03 15:05 [#02488100]
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