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Let's seize the Twitter Storm and get Xltronic trending for this topic. Oh and, Renee Zellweger. |
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I'm in, but I'm not quite sure what to do. Hashtags and shit? I'm a rubbish Twitter N00b. I did a tweet the other day, no hashtag and yet I get a message that it was trending.Some total stranger even favourited it. WTtwitter? |
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NO! We need to make Xltronic the "go to" Media Node. We need an alternative to hashtag, maybe; $wMw : Ottawa or wMw.hotTopic("Ottawa"); and people can cross-pollinate "wMw"'s, socially. |
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Let's make @ma2comohamed the de facto Twitter account for breaking news pertinent to Xltronicans, especially jaser who seems lost and confused. |
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i didn't even post a rip for mark bell |
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Not surprised at all. This is what you get when you declare war on islamists - that is what they want you to do - it gives them an excuse. The Quebec car killer affiliated himself with ISIS and I'd bet it'll turn out that this one did too. War has changed. Troops and jets and tanks are for state-on-state wars. This is a completely different situation and requires completely different tactics. Best way to deal with these cunts IMO is to arm their more immediate enemies in Iraq and Syria, and help those that they have displaced. Going right after them ourselves makes us targets which we would not have previously been. |
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seems you are more worried about you being the target. u kno what terrorists really want is for you to be scared of them so u do what they want u to. thats the point. heads on spikes? its to scare u. are you too scared to deal with violence? thats ok but just admit it instead of making a 'case' for it. |
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My opinions, no judgement. "This is what you get when you declare war on islamists" War on islamists? There's no such thing going on. "War has changed. Troops and jets and tanks are for state-on-state wars" War has changed a lot, but it's far more complex than that, even "state-on-state". "Best way to deal with these cunts IMO is to arm their more immediate enemies in Iraq and Syria" If you do a bit of research you will notice that every time the US arm a "minority" it backfires in some way or another. Look at what happened when the USA helped Afghanistan by arming the mujahideen to fight Russia. "Going right after them ourselves makes us targets which we would not have previously been." "Ourselves"? "targets we would not have previously been"? I understand when you say "ourselves" you don't actually include yourself, but what do you think, that "we" should fight "them" with drones, or that "others" should fight them? |
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No, it's just that I would prefer to deal with violence by means other than more violence, which frankly is nonsensical in an asymmetric warfare situation. Bombing some twats in the desert will not actually stop people from being converted to islamofacist ideology or acting upon it. Does anyone actually think it will? |
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i used to say that one. 'terrorists want us to fight them' 'so its better if we just act like they dont affect us' 'better if we joke about them' 'better if we dont even look at them' 'better if we dont draw cartoons' 'dont offend them or else' u are doing what they want. we could smash em and free thousands of their potential victims but....we've made a lot of excuses not to and now they are pretty big. |
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"War on islamists? There's no such thing going on." - Lots of rhetoric in parliament about going hard on ISIS, so anyone with islamofascist leanings will certainly take it as meaning a war. They deserve to be blown to bits, don't get me wrong, but bombing them will inevitably result in domestic backlash like this. It gives them the "excuse" they crave. Today's attack, and the recent one in QC, were blatantly because of Canada's recent commitment to bomb ISIS "If you do a bit of research you will notice that every time the US arm a "minority" it backfires in some way or another. Look at what happened when the USA helped Afghanistan by arming the mujahideen to fight Russia. " True, of course. If we arm the Kurds I would half-expect some future backlash in the form of Kurdish nationalism, perhaps spilling over into Turkey. No easy answers. All I know is that if Canada joins in with Obama's bombing of ISIS, very little will improve in Iraq. But Canada will become a target. Any collateral damage will be used by islamofascists as fuel for their propaganda, worsening domestic threats in the West. Tightening domestic security will also inevitably convert more people to the cause. I'd rather we try to keep the disease localised. |
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has anyone got any real data that backs up the assumption that military intervention creates terrorism? it gets said all the time we all know there is a grain of truth |
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"has anyone got any real data that backs up the assumption that military intervention creates terrorism? it gets said all the time " Well, surely you can look at what terrorists themselves state as their reasons? The London tube bombers wanted revenge for the Afghan and Iraq wars, Hamas want revenge for those killed by previous IDF incursions, etc Maybe we can smash ISIS militarily, but we cannot use drones to smash the ideology of religious fascism. You can't bomb an ideology. It craves attention. If we give it attention, it grows. Every new war plays into the hands of those who bang on about the West's "War on Islam", will result in accidental civilian deaths which they can use for propaganda, and provide more captives whose heads can be cut off on youtube. Military action satisfies our urge to beat up the bad guys - fair enough, but it doesn't make the actual problem go away. The target should be the ideology itself. p.s. IDM |
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---- dont listen to terrorists. obviously they will talk like they are persecuted. what about elliot rodger? you feel like listening to him? he had a video explaining why he was a victim and why people deserved to be killed. instead why dont u try listening to the muslims who arent terrorists. they are asking for some help btw. |
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I don't listen to terrorists, but impressionable young-adult males do listen to them, and are swayed by them. It is this that we should be trying to prevent. I am not sympathizing with them - I am simply recognizing the factors that drive them to turn to violent extremism, and suggesting that we mitigate those factors. Direct military action plugs right into the propaganda they use to further their cause (the west is at war with islam, kills innocent muslims etc). Their propaganda is all reprehensible bollocks, but it clearly works, because they use it to recruit members. So, we should try to prevent it from working. If you're comparing islamofascists with Elliot Rodger then you are confused. Islamofascists are (justifiably but misguidedly) targeted by Western state militaries, and are thus more able to get new recruits thanks to their propaganda methods. I'm not sure how any of that applies to frustrated virgins. Innocent civilians in Iraq need aid, but I think this is best given by propping them up with arms and humanitarian assistance. Anything else will give oxygen to islamofascist propaganda, and encourage it to spread to the West. Sometimes reading your posts I wonder if you think I actually sympathize with cunts like ISIS and the two Canadian terrorists. Do you understand that I don't? |
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u dont sympathise with terrorists but you are making excuses for them without quite realizing it. everyone has been doing it and i cant really blame you for thinking its rational. but its not actually very rational. now, my favs are a nightmare to trawl thru and i fucking hope u appreciate it but i found this. pls dont make me feel like i wasted time. it takes its findings from what i gathered at the time were some good sources. as always if im wrong im really into hearing that and i want to be pointed to some better thing. but pls read |
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Great stuff guys! |
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I do actually agree with those points to a fair degree (agree completely with 2,3,5). Using actual data gets my thumbs-up Points 1 and 4 are key here - I would like to see air strikes against ISIS, especially targeted drone strikes against key leaders. I just want local powers to do it (UAE, Kuwait etc) so that the West can avoid any/all blowback - and also because, although they pose a threat to the West, the core fight is between ISIS and their neighbours. Should we not be helping them to win the fight, instead of doing it for our own reasons? However re the risk ISIS poses to the West, none of those points really deal with how we stamp out the underlying ideology of islamofascism. It's not a political issue like the Guardian supposedly said... but it's not military either. |
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BBC Newsnight Report Xltronic, home to.vicious thugs Drill Rods was arrested today for.boring the shit out of everyone Zzzz. Snoozeeroonies |
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reggin |
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QD, your opinion iz g |
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Quality denial? =) |
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plus if we just sell everyone drones so we're somehow not complicit in affecting the situation, it's gonna be like, total kerching for our brave and moral arms dealers! |
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