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The Gatekeepers (Hebrew: שומרי הסף) is a 2012 documentary film by director Dror Moreh that tells the story of the Israeli internal security service, Shin Bet (known in Hebrew as 'Shabak'), from the perspective of six of its former heads. |
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The film consists of seven segments: *No Strategy, Just Tactics – covering the emerging role of the Shin Bet from the Six-Day War and the occupation of the Palestinian territories *Forget About Morality – about the Bus 300 affair *One Man’s Terrorist Is Another Man’s Freedom Fighter – about the peace process following the Oslo Accords *Our Own Flesh and Blood – about Jewish terrorism, including the Jewish Underground and the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin *Victory Is to See You Suffer – about negotiations with the Palestinians during the Second Intifada *Collateral Damage – about the assassination of Yahya Ayyash and other prominent Hamas militants *The Old Man at the End of the Corridor – consisting of reflections on the activities of the Shin Bet and their ethical and strategic impact on the State of Israel |
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I AM THE KEYMASTER |
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so how do you feel at this point guys? it was pretty bloody. israels got a lot of explaining to do regards to them unwra schools and hospitals n stuff. we should try and understand israels position but did it risk too many innocents? |
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and did it really do any good? hamas arent gone. israel cast itself as an aggressor again. violent islamics persist. next intifada come still |
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They are so stupid, sad to see they don't learn a thing from the past. |
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a more suitable definition of 'abort': 'Met a 22 year old who was 6 months pregnant when missile hit her home.Her stomach was sliced open by shrapnel decapitating her fetus' |
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yeah its no small thing. imagine the stories man if only they could be really told. of all the mind twisting horrors handed out to everyday people caught in even the smallest of violent conflicts. its important to remember but it really could send you mad thinking about it. i want to talk to you without conjuring the spilled blood of unborns |
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mohammed i hope we still pals but i have to ask you a tricky question abuot all this baby killing snake stuff youre so overenthused by. you have to watch this. assads regime murdered wounded children in hospitals. if you care so much for decapitated fetuses im sure there are plenty to be found. wheres your anti assad activism? you have to answer this question |
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look > syria: assad uses armed forces on unarmed protesters with the intention of wiping out peaceful dissent. > israel: uses armed forces in response to weeks of attacks from hamas > syria: assad targets disobedient populations. again the intention is to kill and to punish even the unarmed. when a hospital is bombed he is pleased. no 'knock on roof'. wants maximum casualties. > israel: tries to target fighters. uses many technological systems to identify targets. humanitarian windows for aid agencies. politically and ethically has interests in keeping casualties down.* > syria: assad has killed so many, used illegal weapons on his people and driven MILLIONS out of syria. its the one of largest refugee crisises in history. assad did this to keep his own power > israel: israel has killed too many by the standards of a developed state. israel did this to diminish a violent force that is dedicated to killing israels citizens. this violent force calls for the death of all jews. all jews everywhere. |
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*however israel can be forceful about its own safety and sometimes takes huge risks with civilian lives to kill insurgents. whether that is acceptable is a debate id like to have. |
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Assad is fighting an existential threat. Plus he's handcuffed to the throne by his own family and doesn't really have any options. |
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haha dont worry hes just joking. but his performance is a handy illustration of how many on the pro palestine side have excuses for serious dictatorships while finding a bewildering amount of energy for hating israel. there are lots of reasons why you might feel this way but lets take a serious look at antisemitism. antisemitism isnt really about jews and xenophobia. its about liberty. whenever an anti liberal movement needs popular support it has to be able to delegitimize liberty. this is a hard task because liberty is pretty cool. the only way to really do it is with conspiracy theories that 'reveal' how liberty is a sham that you cannot trust. these conspiracy theories point at bankers governments art literature all of them things. your average spaz will already be suspicious of all this high mindedness and is just looking for someone to give the whole thing a name. the name is very often JEW. last century it all went a bit too far and so the JEW has been traded for the ZIONIST. youre probably confused and depressed and have found this liberal age hollow and deceptive. you'll love anti zionism because it will provide activism against 'the machine' youve never been able to correctly identify and will go a long way to explaining why you werent popular in highschool or whatever it is that convinces you of your own victimhood. the liberal world betrayed you man. youre not a racist but SOMEONE is behind all of this!!! |
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do you feel like a victim of the liberal age and all the lies n stuff? nazis suck but lets take a serious look at nazis tho. nazi post war victim status was key in creating a national socialist populism that revolved around the conspiracy of the secret evil jew. if you want unquestioned popular support for your cutting back of liberties then you just tell your people that they are a victim of liberty and that liberty is really the device of elite super powerful controllers with sinister intentions. now this is key: middle east dictatorships rely on the victim status of palestine. they fund the conflict. without the involvement of saudi syria qatar iran all them lot the palestine israel conflict would be over almost straight away. but why do they have an interest in fighting israel and keeping palestine underdeveloped and under the thumb of islamists? its because these regimes talk about liberty like its a disease. they know that liberty will challenge their power. controlling their populations of oppressed people relys on liberty being fought and demonized and that means demonizing the jew first and the state of israel second. you dig? or are you still thinking ZIONIST IMPERIALIST NATIONALISM is the reason for all this misery? anti zionist groups of all kinds have achieved nothing in nearly half a century of tireless activism and things are really worse than ever. surely by now, cos its like 2014 ok, we should be moving on. infact it really is 2014 guys. it really really is. |
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wheres my anti assad activism? i've seen syrian refugees begging in the streets and i could do nothing but lend something to them, what about yours |
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im really trying to bait you into admitting that there are scales of evil. assad has very recently reminded us what genocide really looks like. youve met the refugees. do you understand the difference between what happened to them and what israel has done this year? its so different. i know you care about syrians really. ur basically trying to insinuate that i undervalue the life of palestinian babys but i think you dont really mean that either. anyway im sure you can imagine my 'activism' dosnt amount to very much. i think what ive done thats really worthwhile is look at the regime that did this and recognise it for what it is. i dont confuse assads chemical slaughter with israels knock on roof. i know where to put my gaddafis and saddams and they dont go next to the blairs and cheneys. all we can really do for dead victims is give their killers the pigeon hole they deserve. we are supposed to remember these crimes and its really bad when we start blurring the definitions. |
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The Israelis are enjoying the beaches and sunshine after the cease fire, while the Palestinians have nothing but rubble |
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Uhh I really don't know where to begin on what you've written, cause so much seems misinformed.. Do you even have a relation to the middle east or are you speculating from your sofa? "without the involvement of saudi syria qatar iran all them lot the palestine Israel conflict would be over almost straight away" Sorry dude but that's total bullshit.. and 'Israel' was the only word you punctuated in that sentence -_- |
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larn thats so typical |
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please talk 2 me. ur palestinian? id honestly like to discuss this. tell me where im wrong about the funding (im pretty sure im right about iran qatar and saude but id like to know better if im wrong). you probably think im wrong about the funding from anti democracy regimes in the middle east being the cause of this violence but please explain why im wrong. is israel the problem here? i seriously find that difficult to believe but im willing to hear you out. i dont have a sofa but your point is that i dont know enough and thats fine. im trying to know better. |
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mohammed i need to draw your attention to something very important. ykno the baby snakes ayalet shaked woman that has partly convinced you of israels lust for genocide? well in UK the independent ran a story on ayalet by an anti zionist journalist named Mira Bar-Hillel Hillel has a reputation for being a liar and has even once claimed that british jews are unable to criticise the actions of israel for fear of being denied entry to synagogues (which she said she had evidence for - she didnt). Hillel has recently been caught on twitter suggesting that the protocols of zion 'mirror reality' now if you think talking about israelis on sunny beaches is somehow worth saying at all then you are probably not going to realise what a big deal this kind of thing is. but im telling u its a really big deal. watch out for this stuff |
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Kudos, and my bad about the sofa thing brah! I'm natively Palestinian, and naturally involved with what happens in the region but definitely wouldn't call myself an "expert". This is a huge topic that can be tough for people to understand cause of the volume of information out there (and bias). I think you've said it wrong because it's obvious that Hamas haven't received much funding from anyone these years. Qatar and Saudi had pledged some millions in the past but really that's not much. Donations are always declared and intended as relief aid, but guess who the elected government is. They've surely received 'support' from Hezbollah and Iran but honestly even that must've been highly limited at its peak, and seemingly close to nothing these days. Just keep in mind that Gaza is totally blocked off. Construction material, cattle, fresh produce, and all sorts (even potato chips) are prohibited from entry. So money from any intent or purpose won't really be helping the people to recover.. What we have now is a Gazan youth who were born and have seen nothing but war. The key to unravel all this is with Israel cause they have the choice on whether to lift the blockade, and allow Egypt to. If they maintain the ban on goods then the economy won't grow, lives remain destitute, Hamas stays in charge, and all the Gazans can do for happy living is mate and fight. They've got a rapidly reproducing population, just feeding the cycle at this point. There are many angles to approach this issue but I see this one as a fundamental concept.. |
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the blockade and all the restrictions on palestine need to stop i totally agree with you but let me come to that a bit later. with the funding im really sure qatar are heavily involved i know hamas pissed syria and iran off and didnt have many friends at one point. but things are very on-and-off. the arab springs caused turmoil everywhere and relations in the middle east have been in flux so relations are all over the place. irans support seems renued these are just varied articles from different sources you dont have to read all of it but i hope its interesting. this article had an interesting video id like u to see 'the second factor is a lot more political and the changes in the region (middle east) over the past three years have lead to a split between a strong anti islamist camp which is lead by egypt saudi arabia and the UAE and a more pro islamist camp in which qatar finds itself' this i think is true. the middle east is changing and powerful regimes either fear or want to use islamist groups in power politics. i think i was wrong about saudi arabia and syria? these guys hate hamas now. syrian weaponry keeps turning up in palestine tho and im still not sure. |
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this article is the kind of article that uses the word 'frenemy' so we'll take it with a pinch of salt but have a look. --------------------------- Who Supports Hamas? Freind? Qatar, Turkey Frenemy? Jordan, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Palestinian Authority Enemy? Egypt, Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Islamic State --------------------------- im pretty sure saudi stuff was funding bad things in the second intafada but im very unclear on more recent saudi relations. seems they have offered hamas millions to stop fighting israel and 'rebuild' gaza. hmmmm. |
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"The Israel-Hamas conflict has laid bare the new divides of the Middle East," says Danielle Pletka, vice president of foreign and defense policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute. "It's no longer the Muslims against the Jews. Now it's the extremists -- the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, and their backers Iran, Qatar and Turkey -- against Israel and the more moderate Muslims including Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia." "It's a proxy war for control or dominance in the Middle East," says CNN's Fareed Zakaria. |
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