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this speaker really made me think. |
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I didn't find him very convincing. He was right that in the Middle Ages the Islamic civilization played an important role in the development of modern science; and he was right that there's not only Islamic anti-semitism, but Christian and European forms of anti-semitism. BUT I thought the "challenge" or rhetorical question with which he ended his speech wasn't that good. "If Islam is a religion of war, then why is it only a minority who is committing acts of violence in the name of Islam?" That question makes it almost sound as if - once a person adopts a religion - he will put the teachings of the religion into practice. However: Of course a person can accept the teachings of a religion, but fail to put them into practice (due to his weakness, for instance). One can identify as a Christian but despise one's neighbor or identify as a Buddhist and fail to follow the eightfold path. So one can't make such a simple inference from the behavior of religious people to the "core" of a religion. One can't argue "The majority of Muslims is peaceful, therefore Islam is a religion of peace". I guess one would have AT LEAST to look at the behavior of the followers of the religion in the context of the central texts of the religion in the context of the social and political situation in which they are in. (Of course something you can't do in 10 minutes.) His point that "there's no sharia law" because there's not one definite form of sharia law, is also rather poor. It's not the case that there's NO sharia law, it's just that it has no absolutely definite form. And the claim that the majority of suicide bombers are NOT driven by Islam - even if they themselves say so - is a bit ridiculous. If a person commits an act of violence and the person himself cites his religion as the cause of his act then the religion will have SOMETHING substantial to do with the act. (What exactly the role of religion is is open to question. But to deny that it plays any substantial role is ridiculous.) |
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Christians and Christian civilization aren't generally given to lone wolf or small group attacks (though this is arguably changing with Breivik et al). Christianity attacks en masse under the aegis of a national regime, occupying and destroying entire civilizations. This collectivization of violence puts some space between the acts on the one hand and the ideologies of the individuals involved on the other. This appears to decouple the acts from the motives and the ideologies of the people taking part. It's sort of like a drone killing can seem less brutal and unethical than a stoning because of the nintendo-ization of the process, the alienation of the act from the person committing it. |
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made you think about what? |
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Q: is islam a peaceful religion A: |
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Kids bored of going to school doubtless will welcome the latest tactic by Boko Haram (the Nigerian Procol Harum) |
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I'm not a pro-muslim or a hater or lover of any kind of religion but I do think every religion in it's core is good..it's the people who fuck it all up.. |
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Mehdi Hasan writes for the Guardian, some of his stories have seemed a tiny bit sketchy to me |
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not all, not seen the video in thread nor the long speak |
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sorry about the reverse psychology actually. i really dislike this mehdi guy. - islam is not peaceful (at the moment). Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini is hardly the fringe of islam (extreme yes but not fringe) when calling for the death of Rushdie. - Rushdie's fatwa is still not lifted. - many people were killed by islamic mobs/attacks in response to Rushdie's book. this was not an act against occupation from foreign democracies. this is not resistance to western interference. its also not peaceful. it's also not secular. this is islamic i use this example instead of the terrorism which is clearly nurtured by modern islam only because of the argument people like mehdi respond with. mehdi is bad because he should be talking about this problem honestly. |
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so islam is bad ok. but im way more interested in the reverse thing. here are examples of Reverse: - 9/11 was 'our' fault. - west is decedant and we deserve destruction - anything but christian theres a weird masochism here boys. dont tell me you didnt feel sexy when the trade center exploded cos you did. |
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Many people who hate the West - and think it is in essence a decadent and hypocritical civilization - used to have a very positive - but very naive - view of Western countries as the proponents of enlightenment, freedom, universal human rights and so on. Then they come to the point where they realize that their view of the West was false (because it was just TOO simple and too incredibly naive). And then - rather than modifying their worldview in a sensible manner, so that they accept that the Western world is far from perfect, but has made great genuine achievements - they go the other extreme. Then they believe that the Western world is simply rotten to the core. At least I could observe a couple of people who went through this process. It's incredibly idiotic |
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Who did you observe? Are they sound of mind now? |
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Breivik didn't really kill people for Christianity though, but for Norwegian/pan-European nationalism? |
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i think welt is right no? we need a reversal on this white dude vision. its 2013 not 2003. and its really not the 60s. well either way i want you to ponder my next point. pls discuss and consider. iraq guilt white 20yo internet give up psyche has made all of our music bad? |
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who do you prefer? -noam chomsky -aphex twin |
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dudes muslims are fine and it will all be peace. unless we give up on the real good stuff and start enjoying hating our sick world |
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if u focus on the sick times: you will vote badly and end up with bad governments bad economy selfish vibes come when politics is bad social tensions make ppl insular you begin to wallow in ur own world now you are in a puddle and your music will sound the same |
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