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offline Fuckwagon from Dallas (United States) on 2011-06-23 05:02 [#02416196]
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quantum computing fascinates me. i was reading an article
about a very basic quantum computer at yale that can predict
with 80% accuracy the results of a flip of a coin. or
something like that. something having to do with tapping
into the ether of the universe via entanglement that allows
problem solving to be done with an efficiency that would
appear miraculous to us. we're used to "yes" or "no," or
binary computing, whereas quantum computing has both yes and
no and neither yes nor no in full effect. i was also
reading that our own brains use quantum computing, which is
pretty much the foundation for consciousness. we're living
in crazy times, people. *pops a wheelie*


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2011-06-23 05:06 [#02416197]
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*pops back*

30% consisted of the neither yes or no predictions which
somehow got counted to the "good predictions" class.


 

offline Fuckwagon from Dallas (United States) on 2011-06-23 05:11 [#02416198]
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run and entangle that


 

offline Fuckwagon from Dallas (United States) on 2011-06-23 05:15 [#02416199]
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any good recommended reading for a novice? i'm reading
"quantum" by manjit kumar right now but it's more of a
historical account of bohrs v einstein back in the day. a
good primer it seems. but i'm ready to trip the fuck out
really hard and have a brain anurism on an entaglement tip.


 

offline Fuckwagon from Dallas (United States) on 2011-06-23 05:26 [#02416200]
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is it fair to say that the most capable minds in history
were/are physicists? also, how much DMT do I have to smoke
before I can grasp reality the same way someone like niels
bohr did?


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2011-06-23 05:27 [#02416201]
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you'd do good to finding books on how to understand women.
you don't get more entanglement with any other subject. and
brain aneurisms are common as well.


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2011-06-23 05:29 [#02416202]
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seriously though: if you really want to understand, try to
understand the thinking of someone with a combination of
schizophrenic autism and narcissistic tendencies. success
almost guaranteed. roughly 80%, apparently.


 

offline jnasato from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2011-06-23 07:28 [#02416205]
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L S D


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2011-06-23 12:46 [#02416212]
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Fuckwagon-

http://www.youtube.com/user/mnielsencourses?feature=mhum#...

Apparently the videos are not numbered but the link should
show the playlist on the right. Hadamard gate is the first
quantum gate explained that can't be done in with classical
mechanics.

What's this article you are talking about? The only
application I've heard for quantum computers is factoring
(ie cracking cyphers). Predicting the outcome of a coin
toss doesn't really make any sense. You can build a machine
to toss a coin with approaching 100% outcome of heads or
tails using just classical mechanics.
(It really should be noted though that there is still
"divergent" behavior in classical mechanics whether that has
to do with quantum mechanics I couldn't say)



 

offline taking_the_piz on 2011-06-23 15:55 [#02416222]
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I don't think the idea was to build a machine which was able
to flip a coin and throw 100% heads.
The flipping is random (a perfect 50/50), and the
quantum-computer predicts the right side in 80% of the
throws, consistently. (Everyone/thing has a chance to
predict 100%, it's just unlikely)


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2011-06-23 15:59 [#02416224]
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A quantum computer predicting 80% of coin flips seems
nonsense btw. Because, by definition a coin flip needs to be
50/50. And a computer being able to consistently predict 80%
of the flips, implies non-randomness (and therefore it's not
an actual coin flip).


 

offline Steinvordhosbn from London (United Kingdom) on 2011-06-23 16:17 [#02416225]
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The Internet.


 

offline Guybrush from the white room on 2011-06-23 16:41 [#02416228]
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fuck this shit. tails never fails.


 

offline wavephace from off the chain on 2011-06-24 00:01 [#02416259]
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Big deal my comnputer can flip the coin itself then read
what the coin says with 100% accuracy


 

offline Guybrush from the white room on 2011-06-24 00:50 [#02416267]
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what if its a bitcoin


 

offline jnasato from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2011-06-24 01:06 [#02416270]
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THERE IS NO COIN


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2011-06-24 14:37 [#02416318]
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taking_the_piz

I am using the example to demonstrate that the uncertainty
of the outcome isn't the result of quantum mechanics.

It's because of the fact that a coin toss is a linear
dynamical system that is sensitive to initial conditions.
In the case of a human coin-tosser the initial conditions
are different and unknown each time the outcome approaches
50% in the limit. Fix (or measure) the initial conditions
and you can simulate the outcome. Nowhere does quantum
computing enter the picture.


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2011-06-24 14:51 [#02416319]
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I haven't seen anyone in this thread making the claim that
the uncertainty of the outcome of a coin toss is (directly)
related to quantum mechanics.
Only that a quantum computer can predict the outcome of a
coin toss with 80% accuracy.

Somehow a very basic quantum computer at yale that can
predict with 80% accuracy the results of a flip of a
coin
evolved into a machine to toss a coin with
approaching 100% outcome of heads or tails using just
classical mechanics
. This looks like a very non-linear
and chaotic development.

I probably still don't understand your post. But seeing your
reply, I get the feeling this is mutual.



 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2011-06-24 15:18 [#02416323]
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Why would you say that a QUANTUM COMPUTER can predict the
outcome of a coin toss with 80% accuracy? What prevents
ANY COMPUTER from predicting the outcome of a coin toss with
80% accuracy?

Can you not see the difference or are you just taking the
piss?



 

offline taking_the_piz on 2011-06-24 15:27 [#02416325]
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1. who did?
2. randomness
3. those are two questions with an "or" in between. so the
answer is 42.


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2011-06-24 15:29 [#02416326]
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yes 42. my pocket calculator has confirmed it. i like to
recalculate everything i do by head. but it always takes a
little longer.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2011-06-24 16:48 [#02416331]
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1. a very basic quantum computer at yale that can
predict with 80% accuracy the results of a flip of a
coin
did
2. Wrong. The answer is: nothing does, it is a problem in
classical mechanics, not quantum mechanics.


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2011-06-24 17:19 [#02416337]
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1. see the op
2. again mechanics and physics. how about the statistical
concept of "the coin flip" instead of "the mechanical
process"? i've got a hunch that the op was referring to the
"statistical" coin flip. not the "mechanical". is this where
our difference is? because, otherwise you might as well talk
chinese. i don't see how classical or quantum mechanics is
of any importance to the statistical coin flip.



 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2011-06-24 17:21 [#02416338]
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fuck

wagon!


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2011-06-24 17:22 [#02416339]
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yes..


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2011-06-24 17:40 [#02416345]
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To put it that way is completely misleading to the average
person which is why I was making example of it.

And quantum mechanics has everything to do with the
"statistical coin flip" by which I think you mean "normally
distributed stochastic process"


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2011-06-24 18:06 [#02416353]
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right on all accounts.

you sir deserve a medal.

but the average person would still have no clue.


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2011-06-24 19:58 [#02416364]
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more specifically, i read the coin flip as a bernoulli
trial.


 


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