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music is a frmework YOU'RE NOT INVENTING NOTHING! you just look, take pics. there's a reason if you happen to catch the same shoots of another before you, and that reason is because you're using the same plug-in |
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i suspect that music fails to be considered a tool by a large amount of population in this internet motherfucka. the way it's organized, make it appear like it's the final goal. the music itself, its nothing but an accessory for output something, like out of your mouth |
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now there is this acid scene where everybody puts ideas using the same devices. this is genius, cos ppl display nothing but the the moves themself. it's a bit communist, but also a common field where confrontation becomes palpable. helps at cutting the hype off though, so making real music, considered where one has to fish to help diffuse something worth is generally less funny than many like to describe, |
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beatboxing is so much more interesting than soapboxing |
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what does soapboxing mean. anyway, what would you say if someone say that what you say does not correspond to reality? me: 1. im crazy. or you are 2. i does not correspond to you 3. goodbye |
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'flamboyant impromptu' whaaat? lol. k |
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;) |
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industry's ways are the only delusional ones, m8 |
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you mean that music is not more than a big pile of shit where you can swim in? |
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You can invent new melody :) |
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Wow fact over opinion by a listener, that's rather new. |
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(doesn't mean i don't agree with you on most parts though) |
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everyone knows that art is shit. im not inventing nothing. |
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yes, with these |
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bitch! |
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okay i really didnt want to get into this but... you have like the mechanics and components sort of worked out but what you assembling out of these is astoundingly naive... yes music is a famework or language but there are many different its alphabet, syntax, punctuation, grammer etc are applied all over the world... can you tell me that you find no distinction in this interpretation of a big budget hollywood film score saying all music is shit because we are all using the same structure...is plain dumb it's like saying that there has been no original thought ever since invention of language.. your own art and your own music...well...maybe.. ;P |
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groove is what matters |
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yes |
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i don't think music is a framework, that would mean there is a common language, and I don't think there is one. What someone might understand as a framework is within the greater field of sound. |
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well.. we both have a brain, and ears and fingers. you also can't deny that a dude having a computer is closer to a multi-instrumentalist more than anything. let's discuss about this. |
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is closer to a multi-instumentalist as you tune your ears to various elements, often percussive ones. and you play them somehow. that's how monkeys do! in your geek face :D |
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:'0 :) |
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or or maybe this |
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Art is not shit: you just dont get it yet. One day you will know life is all about art. |
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easy with the youtubes, i'm behind a usb modem. a youtube is a luxury |
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and one day you'll know life is all about shit |
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I know it isn't, one day you will know that 2. |
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Yes... framework to communicate concepts; as is all other language. |
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Music is just human brain entertainment with possible remnants of sexual selection like song birds which got boot strapped into language and now we're all obsessed with it because we're a bunch of genetic automatons. Cats are more sane because they hate music. Crayfish are probably indifferent to it. Crayfish are cool, they have lots of pinchers. So in conclusion, I like tacos. |
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TACOS ARE FUCKIN' BOMB DYUDE. |
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music for me is not the sound waves hitting your ears, nor is it something residing in your brain. every theory concerning the origin of music, i.e., genetics, biology, etc, is missing the point. it's a sentient experience, like breathing, or eating, in itself it's just a concept. it's an act of perception inherent in the perceiving of it. |
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honestly I am very surprised that we managed or tried to make sense of a rant that makes no sense I just read it again and its basically word salad with pickled hyperboles... industry? what industry? music industry collapsed when ipod became the birthday present of choice at the retirement homes... there is no music industry anymore all the gatekeepers bought the farm, most of the artists are selling their own stuff for the price you want to pay, cutting out the middleman that was the "music industry" itunes top 10 is the only charts that matter and anybody and I mean anybody can sell their stuff through itunes or amazon the free-for-all that was always promised the great equalizer has arrived..now it's all about the hype and the blogs and the hopes that more people will choose to pay a buck or loose change to buy a song rather than getting it for free |
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told you it was delusional.. just reading it |
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How exactly is music a language? Sound is abstract, we impose something onto it and then it might start to mean something to us as individuals and as a collective. For example major and minor chords, we understand these to mean something. But even major and minor chords are too far gone, we've assumed too much by that point, in terms of how notes are spaced to make up the octave - equal temperament. As listeners of equal temperament music we can't tell shit about another intonation system, we're lost because we don't understand it's language. So music isn't a language, sound isn't a language, we placed a framework inside the field of sound and that is what we understand. Music that is outside of that very narrow language isn't understood in itself. |
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i promise i'll reread it |
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If language conveys information or meaning then music is a language. Think of cues in soundtracks - music can be tense, relaxed, romantic, grand and awe inspiring, militaristic, comical, etc. etc. You could say that it's all learned responses to arbitrary musical convention but the same is true of spoken language too. There's no law of the universe that says minor chords have to be sad or the phoneme "cat" has to refer to the best animal. The best music is tittyfuck music. |
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That's true but there's a difference between spoken language and music. Spoken language is completely functional (with very few exceptions) and music (at least in the western world) is rarely functional. This liberates Music. It doesn't necessarily have to operate within the bounds of equal temperament - the system (the language) which the music we understand as conveying information exists within. If we liberated spoken word from meaning, I think people's heads would explode, the people who practice it would get so much shit for that, at the moment that kind of thing can only exist on the margins of society, we live in a practical world - everything which isn't productive is stupid. |
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this messageboard appears to be liberating the typed word tho, i'll give you that. :D |
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i'll stop being pedant cunt. |
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true |
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music is already functional, but its function is at margins of society. language w/o meaning.. lol, you can find that into all the musics sorry for using 'your' words to express my views but this way i save time for translation and shit. not shittin' ye |
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If we liberated spoken word from meaning, I think people's heads would explode i live in a world when 90 percent of heads are exploded then the people who practice it would get so much shit for that yes they get so much shit for that |
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you might want to notice how our opinions are the result of another opinion which we adapted to our understanding of the it at the time we hear it, in a waaaaay more aboriginal level than an encyclopedia can explain. not only the words, but we record, shape and reproduce even the moods, the pauses, the declinations and whatsoever, of the person we saw, and/or hear into a certain situation. it's clearly visible into a person with brain damage. 800% slower. |
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music should be taught as poetry in schools, not as technology or math. kids should be eduacted at rhyming sounds because thats what communication is all about. words are still the most secure way to hand down knowledge. as human, if you don't see this, then ur a fucking robotmachine. |
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oh and i'm typing this to save years of hassle to the future mohameds |
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yeah, this is a useless discussion. |
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it's not the first time i type shit out, and i'm not gonna start posting links to studies i found at the margins of the internet cos nobody cares. i kno. i do not have expetations. i just like to remember, and type, remember, and type, remember, and type. every time i remember i type my shit better. |
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i'm stil waiting for someone who tells me why the subject has so little covering since typing is all you do while 'discussing' on here, and elsewhere. my turn to stop being pedant. could go on 4eva. |
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i can't even follow your argument. The only music i can think of that has a clear function in the western world is muzak. I'm interested but skeptical about the idea of people speaking without any meaning at all attached to the words they use, I'm sure there are people who ride the line. There is of course things like THIS |
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