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for a while being a vegetarian was considered moralistic and it probably still is. i'm wondering about the impact of migrant workers on the fruits and vegetables section at the grocery store. the danger of crossing from mexico to work on a farm in central california is just as damaging from a moralistic standpoint as eating meat no? |
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are you smoking? |
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are you tripping? |
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from a moral standpoint, you need to be vegan to make a difference, being vegetarian is a good start. |
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no offence to any vegetarians out there. |
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Depends where your moral standpoint is. If you're all about not harming sentient stuff, being vegan is better (not sure where you draw the line though). If you're more concerned about the environment you shouldn't even eat mass produced vegetables |
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I'm not a vegetarian to make a difference. |
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If I dont give a shit it's ok that I eat meat. Cool, thanks. |
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Anything that's not living directly off the sun is morally shit, but that's also why taco bell is good. |
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Vegetables are like morals because Mexicans will work for cheaper labor. That's good because then native Americans can have more middle management and executive type positions. |
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it depends if a mariachi is killed on a taco bell by a human that is vegetarian . is my comment. |
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i only eat meat to piss off vegaterians i dont even like the taste |
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lol. i purposely chose a veal dish while having tapas with some ecofriendly crusty type. eat meat drink cider look after trees. |
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lol guys, vegetarians and vegans know there are a majority of meat eaters in the world. I bet they were really shocked and appalled at your behaviour!!! you really stuck it to them!!! |
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hitler was a militant vegetarian, he was big into organic before organic was big, too. didn't want chemicals in anything, for himself anyway. didn't turn out too well for anybody really. i say stick to meat. |
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Matthew 6:25 - "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes?" |
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Animals do not have rights. They do not respect, nor do they understand, our rights. There is no moral justification for not eating meat as it pertains to the moral contexts posed against the animals themselves - they have no concept of morality. In fact, animals are unable to form concepts, because they lack volition. People who choose to not eat meat for moral reasons are morons. People who choose to not eat meat for dietary reasons, on the other hand, cannot be faulted. It is, after all, their choice. |
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I've got one moral about food: you are what you eat. |
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So I'm a 75 year old creamy and gelatinous crack whore vagina? That's gross dude... |
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when you ate that lately yes. |
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humans are omnivores. the fact is, if we didn't eat meat we'd have to eat plants. and that would mean a whole new agricultural industry - and to build that industry we'd end up murdering billions of insects and wiping out millions of species. so what's the difference when the end result is more dead animals? an animal is an animal. vegetarians don't appear to have any qualms about destroying insects, but won't eat animals that are bigger and cuter and say woof, meow or moo. their reasoning is quite pathetic. |
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Wel I guess it could be argued that bigger animals are more intelligent and that makes killing them more wrong. It's kind of arbitrary and anthropocentric but there you go. |
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Are cows more intelligent that ants? Doubtful. How do you measure intelligence anyway? Personally, I wouldn't say humans are the most intelligent of the animal species. After all, other animals use their instinctual and intellectual capacity to its absolute maximum, humans seem to be using theirs to its absolute minimum. Humans have created wonderful things, for themselves, but it's all been in the realm of technology. Trial and error, over time. In 500 years the world will be infinitely more sophisticated and technological than it is now, but will we be a more intelligent species in 500 years time? |
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Yeah, that's what I meant by anthropocentric. Animal intelligence being judged on standards established by humans. We feel more empathy for those that ressemble us the most, or rather those we can best project ourselves on. |
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Too true. |
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you need a lot more of acres for your meat than a vegetarian needs for his vegetables. And the vegetarians I know don't kill insects..every vegetarian got his own morals for not eating meat, fish nor killing animals, bio industrie, etc. It's about respecting those from you neighbour and if you're not intelligent enough to understand that you shouldn't say anything at all because that's a lack of moral. |
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Perhaps you would like to explain how you can avoid killing insects through agricultural farming? If you did nothing, they live - if you use machinery you inevitably kill. You could say it's impossible to eat anything, animal or mineral, without accidentally killing something, which is precisely my point. For you to survive, something else has to die by whatever means. And when you die, your body is reconstitutionalised into the earth or atmosphere for others to feed off. It's how life operates, taking a moral standpoint won't change anything and is comprehensively meaningless anyway as an opinion can never be right or wrong. |
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I think putting pigs or cows in a barn is pretty cruell and wrong..Thats my opinion..and for me thats the right one... And I also believe in ouroboros...so what has that got to do with being a vegetarian or not? |
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I like cawk |
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morals + vegetables = morables |
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Is that you in barcodes avatar? |
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Just because animals have no concept of morality doesn't mean they should be institutionally exploited for human gain. Animals can form concepts through visualisation, they just don't use language to form them. But that's besides the point because it doesn't matter what they can do or can't do. People who choose to not eat meat for moral reasons are doing a good deed for their fellow animals. Those who support the meat industry are morons. |
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What moral reasons? |
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Do you think it is immoral to kill and eat animals or do you think it is the way in which they are killed that is immoral? Sorry if you already have said this but the thread is big and I am too tired to read it all. |
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Teeth of lions rule the divine. btw kitties are usually pretty nice. |
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morality = human behavioral constructs human behavior ≠ animal behavior humans ≠ animals |
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At least then the farm-workers have a job. Without people eating vegetables, there would be many less jobs than there are today. YAY VEGGIES! Also, life is fraught with danger, but you gotta overcome these dangers to reap any rewards. So really you are critiquing life, not vegetarianism. |
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I hate the industry, and it's not just about slaughter. For example, cows are subject to artificial insemination so that they constantly produce milk. Farmers give them growth hormones too. The wellbeing of the cow is an afterthought because farmers want money of course. In a survival situation I wouldn't object to killing an animal if there was a good reason. I don't want to sound preachy because I am not looking down on people's lifestyle choices. It's up to you what you eat but I still think the meat and dairy industry is messed up. |
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Do you only have a problem with that particular industry, or with the whole capitalist system? |
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how many off you meat eaters have ever touched a cow besides eating them? |
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Offal is good, cos it means the whole cow is used up and goes into your belly, yum. |
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naturally I have a problem with capitalism, i know you do. hahaha. |
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what's wrong with capitalism? isn't it the state that's the problem? |
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No. |
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Not that I'm a big fan of the state, but I'd suggest destroying capitalism first. |
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Capitalism can't exist without the state. |
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You can't just take over the state and then destroy capitalism. Both must be destroyed at the same time. This maybe sounds like anarchism, but it is not. |
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The state can't exist without the individual. You must smash the individual to smash the state. :3 |
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No. Society and state are not the same |
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i like vegatables more than mexico. let alone wannabe mexican farmers aspirations of an illegal californian move. i love vegatables but i must admit i have never eaten an illegal mexican crossing to california? probably quite tasty, and i imagine somewhat spicy, if that isn't being racist. |
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