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the process that makes one understanding how things work without reading the manual. and reading a manual afterwards, just to find out that it makes the same conclusions as the ones made by experience. is there a legit way to name this? i won't call it intuition, sounds like a short moment in time. something more systematic |
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try an error |
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work it out for yourself |
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confutation |
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affirmative |
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m.. not about prove smth wrong it's about finding a confirmation in theory not starting from theory to find a confirmation in practice |
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found a black metal band and this |
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[TOO HARD] |
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Programing? |
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autodaction? |
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i'm not convinced. |
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Would it be inductive reasoning or an educated guess? I read about strong inductive logic somewhere and it sounds like this might be what you mean. Then again this could be weak inductive reasoning on my behalf. :) |
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yes :) i've given a look on wikipedia for it and it seems that a certain Nelson Goodman and Socrates said something that might be what i mean. the fact that both of these 'methods' build one upon another is secondary, i'm just fine with finding out that i've stumbled into these informations by observation, not thanks to an academic education. my ass starts to burn when i read those informations, and i can't understand half of the words being used to describe such a simple attitude, even in my native language. it is basic, raw knowledge became a privilege of a few. just like a skyscaper are build by workers, but the manager will be the only one taking advantage of it. the manager and the architect, eventually. plain and FUCKING simple, robbery. |
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This is called scientific investigation. This can be done by experimenting, or elimination of less likely possibilities (statistically). Then untested thesis is called hypothesis, some hypothesis can be tested later in the process of investigation. Most likely hypothesis supported by math and certain observations can be accepted as scientific truth. |
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this is right |
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the math in THINKING, not the math in numbers |
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and it applies to music too. |
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Music is harmonics, and algorithms, it can be disharmonious too for example quaristice etc. Its fact that every music is certain algorithms, and every scratch can be understood by numbers. In fact everything around us theoretically speaking can be understood and explained in numbers. Weather prognosis becoming more and more accurate because we use more precise tools for measurements and more powerful calculation systems. Imagine such complicated system as earths atmosphere can be simulated in real time. Thinking is not math and not numbers. Math is instructions to get answer there is no intelligence in it. If you have good memory you can apply instructions (formulas, axioms, theorems) in certain situations and you "Einstein" basically, but you far from thinking. |
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I dont know what is thinking but it is not calculation. So I know thinking is not math. |
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MATH IS THINKING NUMBERS, AND PHRASES OF NUMERS ARE ONLY A TOOL JUST LIKE WORDS. THEY WAY THEY ARE USED MAKES A WORLD DIFFERENCE. now WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LANGUAGE AND NUMBERS? is there a school that educates the children with numbers? you learn talking with numbers? you learn eating with numbers? you learn fucking with numbers? no, but you learn numbers with language. etc. |
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music is ear. because music mmust be accessible. not a fucking calculation nor a fucking machine. |
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not only, if you rely on numbers to make music, YOU are the one going nowhere. you're the one out of this world, antistoric, antireality, antieverything. not you nightex |
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and antimusic too, since you're neglect communication from the beginning. and you pretend your music to be liked. haha. it makes me laugh. reality is that you're preaching here and there and you're the most attached of all, with you, owner of all music because of numbers, you feed the market but you kill music and that's not a compromise, it's robbery. so much better music would be done if things were another way than the one they are. fucking twats. |
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what the hell is your problem |
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youwho |
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if you rely on numbers to make music, YOU are the one going nowhere. Multiply a note's frequency by 1.059463 and you get a note one semitone up. Just because the math is implicit doesn't mean you're not using it. |
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yes i know that i'm talking about the wall on which one crashes his/her face into everytime there's to talk about music exhaustively. it's WRONG. |
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you know who you are |
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it's not a real problem, i'm just taking the piss. |
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I have no idea what you're talking about :) |
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take a child, make this child listen to a funny sound he doesn't laugh because of the numbers in it! same thing for the other emotions 'oooooh mmmyyyyyyyyyy there's a 0,154564564564 hertz more in that note that makes me cry' lol. |
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if the child is good at numbers, let him investigate more into that domain. if a child is not good at numbers, what do you say, you'll never be able to listen/make music because of it? NO. you're indirectly, basically deciding another's life, with all your influence. and don't say there's no responsible for this havoc. |
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a&d |
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But that's really not the point. You can still apply a mathematical model to a funny sound. You can apply a mathematical model to how the sound travels in the air and triggers an emotion in the child. It doesn't reduce the experience, in fact it's a more faithful and precise way to define it than "music is ear" which really doesn't mean anything. You're sounding like an anti-math romanticist and I don't think it's very cool. |
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i dont' want to be cool at all costs not anymore, at least |
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What's the cost? Maths are nice. |
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your'e not getting it it's not about prove smth wrong i'm MAD about opening simple ways of understanding music cos they exist, but in the culture i've been exposed to THEY DO NOT EXIST! and it's a shame. |
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then again if you say that music is ear 'really doesn't mean anything' i don't really know where you come from BUT i don't assume you are wrong. |
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What I mean is it doesn't really mean anything outside of your own assumptions. It'll mean something different for everyone. Not necessarily bad but not the most effective way to convey something. |
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ok |
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makes sense though, when everybody shut the fuck up in this world about something must be something inconvenient, indeed |
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i wonder what musicians think about the monkeys that before us thought, when they first made a beat, than a second, and a third one, two, three? or ugggggmhmhmhmhmhgggigigigigigigmgmmgmgmgmgmgm!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or wiiiiiithstoooooooooooneyoucandobumbumbumbumbumbumbumbumbum stupid monkeys. at least they weren't paranoid about it. |
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i tell you: 'yo monkey, why so much fun?' mama stop me. |
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You're the one who's overthinking it. |
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i see it well. |
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do you post just to point out me craziness? because there's nothing you can do about it. |
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i've made the example of the monkeys tRYING to demostrate to this higher society that language and music and MATH came before numbers. |
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I'm just trying to figure out what you're trying to say and reflex-posting/making conversation in the process, don't mind me :) |
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ok |
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