 |
|
You are not logged in! F.A.Q Log in Register |
 |
|
 |
 Now online (3)imdex big bob ...and 75 guests Last 5 registered Oplandisks nothingstar N_loop yipe foxtrotromeo Browse members... |
 |
Members 8025Messages 2608875 Today 15 Topics 127232 |
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Fuck you both ideas. How the fuck did this shit universe appear in the first place? Some dude called GOD started the party. Yes OK whatever man. There was an explosion and that was the start of it all! How about tracing this shit back to the 'original fuck'? I'll piss on anyone tonight Piss |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
You hurt my feelings. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i like your avatar. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I hate your avatar |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
god started the big bang. god is sometimes known as the uncaused cause. this is either a load of crap or the absolute truth. but where are the walls of the universe at? like we'll find the wall of the universe someday and knock on it. maybe that win yu shi cosmological argument is true, but it leaves out stuff like dark matter or w/e |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I meant Wun Yi Shu - |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
acidduel may be the worst member, but pulseclock is without a doubt the most delusional. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Gang bang instead of god |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
People are all different. ______ is the most _______ member. fill in the blanks |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
id like to know why you think im delusional |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
probably because he thinks he's clever and knows the truth or thinks he knows what isn't the truth. Thus any person holding a different opinion than his own will cause him to label that person as being delusional. It's part of the standard rant repertoire of the average atheist. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
|
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
the big bang is a theory for the starting point of our universe, not "all". Our universe, of course, has no "walls", it is expanding at least as fast as the speed of light so we shouldnt worry about reaching the limits of the universe. However if we had a machine in wich we could travel faster than the the speed at wich the universe expands, we would be expanding the universe ourselves when going beyond the "limits of the universe" since we cant escape the space-time net thingy. there is no god. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
So it can seem pretty obvious that the God (or Gods) of Judaism and Christianity don't exist because for one, there's no real proof, there's strong evidence against it, and overall it just seems like another one of the products of mass-ignorance fostered by the pseudo-intellectual minds of the time. Here are the only real problems i see with believing in the God of the Old and New Testament: 1. Science, Cosmology, Paleantology, Archaeology, The Fossil Record, Transitional Forms, Carbon Dating, Evolutionary Irregularities and other natural discoveries prove first that the Earth is older than 6000 years, and that there were creatures alive long before that time, and that those creatures evolved from other less developed creatures, and that their evolutionary descendants possess odd anatomical trademarks that point to a chaotic evolution as opposed to a 'designed' evolution - 2. Lack of Consistency - When do we ever hear of stories in the contemporary age or even starting from the Enlightenment period of Divine Intervention? It seems odd that mostly all the founding fathers were Deists and came to the understanding that the interplay between and a God and humans in the Old Testament was no longer a reality. Did the death of Christ mean the death of God's role and communication with the inhabitants of Earth? It seems the more modern interpretation of Divine interplay is always just a skewed view of a natural occurence such as natural disasters etc. However there are some interesting findings when one tries to filter through the long history of inaccuracy and corruption to find important and reliable information regarding the Theistic argument. There was a Hebrew Rabbi - Physicist from the 13th century who calculated the age of the universe and Earth that actually concurs with the common interpretation. - href="http://www.yashanet.com/library/missing_link.htm" target=_blank>Rabbi - universe age< |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
|
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Lastly, I've been researching a lot of this stuff by reading Josephus's historical accounts, by watching interviews and debates by theologians, etc. There just seems to be almost like an information trail when trying to find the truth about the Judaic beliefs, and there's always 10 inaccuracies for every 1 truth that is found. So people who claim to 'Know' there's a God, or 'Know' there isn't a god, seem to be placing themselves in a limited space. Though i think trying to find evidence for the bible by using only the bible is a staple example of ignorant circular reasoning, but how can a person really 'prove' there is a God? If proof is just means of being able to repeat something and observe it's repetition to establish validity, doesn't it seem that a God would be void of those physical restricitions? That's why Deism makes the most sense in terms of any God in this universe. Otherwise the belief is that there is a God somewhere in the universe sitting on his throne somewhere watching over us. I just got this book by Howard Storm called, 'My descent Into Death'. It's an account of the author's 'near-death experience' and how he was either unconscious or legally dead and descended to a hell like enviroment and eventually was led up to heaven with Christ etc. I find it interesting because before that event he was an atheist. now some people say there is no real validity in a near death experience because of brain trauma and dream like occurences. Also that NDEs can be simulated by a lack of oxygen to the brain. Also others have flatlined for longer periods of time and have had no recolection of anything upon regaining consciousness. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Sometimes I wish I was as simple as you pulseclock, making a cup of tea or visiting the fridge must be a wondrous and scary adventure. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
whatever the ancient hebrews had in mind when they wrote the book of genesis has most certainly no relevance whatsoever with how we're treating the same subject today -- questions surrounding the origin of the world, god, etc. there's a difference of 5000 to 7000 years of development in thought, culture, etc. the whole modern debate is absurd and has become a parody of itself. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Ok |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Have you heard of the It's a mathematical thing from the 60's that shows that complex things can be 'born' from really primitive input. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Not everyone believes the bible says the Earth/universe is 6,000 years old (it doesn't actually say that). |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Isn't this message board meant for music related things? I imagine pulseclock looks like David Cameron for some reason. He looks like a freshly wanked penis. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
The OP was just so engaging that I couldn't help myself. Here is a thing. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
haha I look nothing like David Cameron. Why do you have to make it so personal, man? Talk about the topic? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
What's the topic again? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
the is a deterministic system. meaning that for any given scenario you can predict an outcome. what about the universe? is it a deterministic system? or a nondeterministic one? this too is "off topic" but it makes my brain think. also the moral consecuences of any attemp of an answer to this question are interesting (more so if people around you are discussing god and such things). |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
No, it's nondeterminism. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
well, it could be nondeterministic. some theories introduce a big amount of chance and randomness in their explanations (evolution theory, quantum physics), but that is not conclusive. I think the "deternistic or not" universe question is still a very metapshysical one. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I'd say that science as such are based on metaphysical principles. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
True. 'What is life' is a metaphysical and scientific question. The metaphysical principle of science is ontological naturalism, it cant be any other way because the scientific method wouldnt work where god(s) interact with this world. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
yeah, if i came on here to discuss shit like this i'm pretty much i'd kill myself before even reading this thread. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
much = sure |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
monoid, I dont think "god" and "science" are necessarily exclusive of each other. I do think science can not "afford" to think about god. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Religion and science are not compatible. There are metaphysical and methodological conflicts. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
ok, let me put is this way: what do you think about triangles? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I like isosceles and Bermuda. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
haha, ok. the question is this: "are triangles real entities?" you might take a platonist stand or an anti-realist one, but it dosent really matter, not to science at least. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Fuck off kel9 with your pseudo existential bollox. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Triangle: A triangle consists of either 1/2 of a square or 1/8 of a pizza. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
The way maths is taught these days is pretty much based on pizza! It's 'giridding' and 'chunking'! |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
|
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
"pseudo existential"? do you even know what Im talking about? better yet, do you even know what you are talking about? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Yes to everything. Please try and learn about yourself somewhere else. Okay you like granulated beats but don't assume that anyone is vaguely interested in your ineptitude. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
learn about myself? none of the stuff I've said about this matter are by any means new nor related in anyway with existensialism. Punch some shit down your throat and die. Even if you have grown inmune to shit after all this years eating it, the punching part should put you down. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Aww. it makes me smile! In a few years you'll understand what I said. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
at my current alcohol in-take rate, I should be getting as dumb as you are in about 45 minutes. I'll try to read again then and spare myself the waiting. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Can you post your personal problems somewhere else with a link? Anyone that gives a shit will click on it and follow your journey of growing up. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I wouldnt discuss my personal problems here. specially with people like you around. you are the one whos baffled enough with your little personal dilemas as to give shit to everyone else. can I maybe recommend some ? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
bye. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
see, you keep wondering, you do shit, like fucking, things that keep you busy, and you dont care. just dont care, except for things that make your/the world a better place |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Messageboard index
|
|||||||||
