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Anyone else seen it? I thought it was rather good! Very reminiscent of Blade Runner in its inconclusive ending which doesn't affect your enjoyment of the film in whatever way you decide. *SPOILERS* There was an interesting article on CHUD about how the whole film is a dream and how, for once, that isn't a bad thing as the film is a look at the creative process of film making itself with all the characters being representative of the roles of creators of different aspects of film making. The 'dream' aspect standing in for films. Regardless, if the film is all a dream it opens up the floor for some nice theories about why it actually takes place and the universe it inhabits, perhaps Cobb was being inceptionedededed by Saito all along, his implanted idea being represented by his children's faces, much like irish faces one was represented by the windmill? Perhaps Mal is right and they are in a dream she has managed to save herself from and is trying to pull Cobb from one of those dream drug den places? She does talk to him about the ludicrousness of the 'real' world. Perhaps all of the technology and fantasy of dream sharing etc. exists only in the dream and the real world is as normal as ours, Cobb's just trying to cope with grief at losing his wife and kids for some other reason? Perhaps the whole thing is one guy falling asleep on a long haul flight back to see his kids and the end is real? He never acknowledges the others verbally once the job is done, they merely make eye contact. What are your thoughts xltronic.com/mb? |
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'...in whatever way you decide to perceive it.' I should proof read. |
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*SPOILERS* Well I could say a lot about the film's plot, because it's very convoluted, but I will say that the ending with the totem spinning was like the icing on the cake. I don't think Cob was dreaming the entire time because there was the time when he was talking to his kids on the phone and it was clear he wasn't dreaming because he spun his totem and it stopped spinning shortly after. I think the ending was just a hint to "incept" something in the audience's minds so that we might be interested beyond the theater, and find more out about the film and possibly support it, as it should be, because the film was spectacular in my opinion. However I do think the film left out critical details that made it seem maybe too conceptual and fantasy-like. for instance they never once explained how the dream inducing machines worked, the science behind it, they never explained how they got all that gear into the dreams, (the explosive charges, the dream machines, etc) It was kind of like the matrix, in that i'm sure it was part of a larger concept that Nolan was developing for a while, so I'm sure the nuts and bolts of it will surface in a Wiki somewhere or official fan base. And the whole ending part seemed kind of hectic, i didn't understand how Ellen Page's character, Ariadne, arrived at limbo with Cob and Mal, and I also didn't understand how Cob ended up in limbo with Saito. I didn't understand the airplane ending part either at first, but then i rememberd that they all were doing an operative mission, and most of the mission was in dreams, so I think they had to be secretive about what they had done to Fischer, by not talking in the airport etc. I didn't understand how Fischer didn't know what happened upon waking in the airplane, how the people on filght were in all his dreams. There's a prequel comic to the film, It's pretty cool, you just hit the right arrow and it guides you through the comic. href="http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/inception-comic.html |
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Thing is though, Cobbs unconscious could easily stop the totem spinning, tricking his conscious in to thinking he had escaped the dream. I'm glad they didn't explain the science, if you do you have to add a lot of exposition and open the film up to trying to justify itself and failing. It could also be said that the technology wasn't explained because it was all made up in Cobbs mind and he doesn't have the ability to articulate how such a fantastic device might work. |
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Ha, I see that you will hold dearly to that idea of Cobb dreaming! you're probably right, it wouldn't matter to me either way, it would just seem kind of dissappointing to me because I liked the science-fiction behind it, not the heavy philoso-drama. |
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Oh no, I disagree, I don't think he was dreaming all the time. The beauty is that it is easy to argue in either way :) |
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Too 'epic', 5/10 |
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(Spoilers abound) Well, the thing about the totems is not that they tell you whether you are dreaming or in reality. They simply tell you whether you are in someone else's dream. If you are in another person's dream, their subconscious does not know the unique physics behind your totem and as such they can't emulate it properly. That's why never letting anyone touch your totem was so important. Anyway, great film. There is another theory that the possible inception against Cobb was not masterminded by Saito, but rather by the Professor (Michael Caine). He is Mal's dad so if we assume that she is truly dead but Cobb's children are alive, it would make sense that Caine was incepting Cobb so that he would get over his grief and give Caine's grandchildren a father again. Ariadne is extremely interested in getting Cobb to embrace reality and let go of his grief. And who chose Ariadne? Caine. And who was there to greet Cobb at the end? Caine. I don't necessarily believe that theory more than anything else, as clearly you have to make a lot of inferences and there's very little direct evidence of it in the film. I just think it's interesting how many possible "true plots" the movie may have had, which speaks volumes about the effectiveness of the characters, the story, and the directing. |
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spoilers i didn't follow why when mal was brought back to the real world (after the train+head bit) and she still believed that she needed to kill herself to truely be free and escape, that she couldn't be convinced that she was in the real world by the fact that neither she nor cobb have any powers of creation such as they did in limbo? there was a few other bits that i thought didn't add up when i watching it but i'd need to see it again. Still really enjoyed it. |
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i thought it was because he used inception on her to make her think the dream they were in wasn't reality? |
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ah you may be right. i'd need to watch it again. |
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the Grauniad was trying to compare Nolan to Kubrick..... memento was good, but, come on... |
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the way i understood the very ending was you didn't know if the totem was going to stop spinning or keep spinning, if he was in a world of his own delusion or if he was in reality - but leonardo walked away not caring either way |
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right on. just another epic action movie. i'm watching tomo, looks gritty as fook. |
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ZOMG!!!! DARK KNIGHT WAS THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER!!! THE ENDING WAS AWESOME!! THAT PART WHERE EVERYONE BECAME A WEBCAM LIKE GOOGLE MAPS, THAT WAS SOOO EPIC!!!!! CHRIS NOLAN IS THE GREATEST DIRECTOR EVER!!!!! INCEPTION IS THE BEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME AND I HAVNT EVEN SEEN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Yeah that's the article I was talking about! Interesting stuff. |
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Please don't incept. |
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i just watched this movie with staz and impakt. we all liked it. |
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I hope it doesn't suck as bad as The Dark Knight. |
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I enjoyed this. Maybe not up to the massive hype level it's getting, but it was definitely a good movie amongst all the other bullshit in theaters right now. It also has excellent music. |
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ending: it looked like the totem was slowing down and was going to fall. I believe it was reality, but it could go either way I guess. I think the important thing is that Dicaprio walked away from it and went to his children instead of seeing if it would fall. Dream or no, it seems he's content to be where he is. |
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Anyone found a dvdrip or watchable quality to watch? |
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that guy clint steve mcqueen is in it |
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Man I wish they'd have dreams in this film instead of having setpieces. |
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