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How far did you 'explore' pulseclock? What were the names of the families that you spoke to that are hurting. It's great that you spout crap on an IDM forum though. That'll help the dead. |
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why do u say that?? |
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is a good introduction. Another point that needs to be brought up is speaking in absolutes. If the crime is so heinous that it would be impossible to cover up, that somewhere along the line something would come out, than the opposite has to be taken as well. that isn't taught in schools. (At least it wasn't for me in both Public School and College) |
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I never claimed to be exploring into the families of the victims, nor was i trying to reach them via seance, i was referring to exploring and discussing more aspects of the towers' destruction and elusive's arrogant comment about people not being smart enough to understand the difference between a missile and an airplane, or thermite and burning jet engine-fuel. All i want is further debate and not the same-old personal attacks on a messageboard from people who barely know each other. Why don't we try and work together and network information to help each other become aware and knowledgable of the truths surrounding global terrorism, in this case 9/11. It's a shame that while terrorists are working together for their common goals and working diligently for their plans to be successful, we are sitting here bickering amongst ourselves over who's smart and who's justified to talk about certain things. Let's get over it and actually do something worthwhile in this thread. |
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A lot of info to look over, though, I just want it to be clear that I'm not about to join up with the anti-Israel crowd, everyone's in bed with each other. |
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I'm not trying to get anyone to join the "crowd." Information is out there for people to make their own opinions. |
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it's the whole 'truth' attitude that im dismissing. in the day of the internet when anyone can read an article and instantly become a self proclaimed expert, it's quite obvious when such is taking place when a young lad runs to you screaming about truths to topics he probably didnt give 2 damns about moments earlier...instead, he should be asking questions to real experts in such professions; to gain more knowledge of how things work in the real world. it reminds me of those young lads that made that video about 9/11 and all the theories (of which most of not all were shot down) - about how they were arguing to RF/wireless engineers (young kids with no engineering background) - arguing to industry/field-leading engineers that there is no way you could make a call from 30,000 ft on an airplane from your cellphone - so it must have been staged. these are the same kids that complain about fox news ... and how it's so one-sided ... and then go right on and watch a video that purposely portrays certain events in certain order, leaves certain information out, and straight up leads you to believe their bullshit by creative portrayal/editing .... to the point where you get done watching the movie and your mind/opinion has already been made up by the movie. it's that hypocrisy that drives me to nutty extents. all of these kids straight up accepted everything that was in that original 9/11 truth video (can't remember the name) ... how many of you went out and dug up information on your own to attempt to verify what they were saying was indeed factual? not many from my experience. they took the ball word-for-word from that movie and ran with it. how is that any different than the types they mock (e.g. fox news viewers - who eat up the lies they spew without verifying a word of it)? it's the same, in my opinion. |
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you don't need to have a degree or be in a executive-level position to be able to discuss such topics...but i do find more of the young kids attempting to detail me specific engineering level topics/failures than real professionals. i always inquire as to what these brilliant minds are doing with their lives if they are so intelligent on such a plethora of engineering topics ... and they usually reply unemployed or art student or some other bullshit job where they never once applied themselves in the real world. but it's easy to be an expert on the internet. and why would it be hard? on the internet you can look at things from a very high level and scrutinize...once you're in the real world and working with such, you realize the depth and complexity of the very topics you're trying to discuss. dunning-kruger effect, essentially. |
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"if you're so fucking brilliant and have it all figured out, what are you doing working minimum wage at a coffee shop." |
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again no one is claiming to be an expert, just sharing information, i'm sorry you have such a problem and can't get over that. So you're saying art students or coffee shop employees or unemployed people have no right to be questioning things outside of their profession or lack thereof? That's such bullshit. That's WHY people have questions and are seeking answers, because they're not professionals. It seems like you're anchoring here, essentially. |
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I mean, so by your logic then, I should have to goto Harvard to be able to feel completely justified when talking about American Economics right? As opposed to having a multi-faceted approach to life? I agree with you that people shouldn't make the sharing of information a hobby, it should be a valuable exchange between concerned individuals, not people who don't care, but really who can draw that line? Many people who goto Harvard for business or MIT etc. have interests and drives that are unrelated to the information they're studying. Let's not forget that information doesn't come easily and going to a good college costs a lot of money. I guess the way I choose to see it, is that the internet can be good or bad, if the individual is just trying to be a punk and anti-authority nut, then of course biases will always be attached in some way, but others just REALLY care about the state of their surroundings and aren't satisifed with being uninformed. |
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i call straw man bullshit. |
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"again no one is claiming to be an expert, just sharing information, i'm sorry you have such a problem and can't get over that." no, they're not claiming to be an expert directly. they're just unqualified individuals speaking on very advanced subjects; dumbing things down to support conspiracy theories that don't hold water when the real world is brought into focus. stop reading what you want to read. did you read my first sentence of that above post? jeezous. get over yourself. there's nothing wrong with discussing and so forth - but it's not much of a discussion when people who think they are suddenly capable of discussing engineering level topics at force as if fact. there is little "discussion" re: conspiracy theorists...shit is binary for them...completely true or completely false. no in between. and anytime real world professionals get involved to say "no, that's bullshit" - they'll never accept it. basically - too many people with little/no real world experience in the subjects they're discussing trying to tell others how it is - instead of asking questions to qualified professionals to come to a better understanding of said topic and situational awareness of how that plays back into the original conspiracy/hypothesis. i just get pissy at all the 19yr olds who never stepped foot into the real world telling me how it all went down - right down to the thermite and civil engineering equations that factor into the buildings coming down. and to which i reply - basically, if you're so smart...how come you're not doing anything with your life? (-this statement isn't directed at you...it's the perspective of the types ive met in real life who have it all figured out and self-proclaimed armchair engineer - and yet cant seem to sort their life out the least bit. just the hypocrisy im pointing out, is all. |
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when i read (for example), a 'the economist' article...at least at the fin of the last sentence im left thinking about what i just read; analyzing and reflecting and into a fairly deep thought. i dont have the article pointing me in one direction (even subconsciously) so when im done reading the article ive already made up my mind on the subject (or rather, the article/author made up my mind for me). that's what i see. you have these types who hate on fox news for skewing and doing exactly this.... then those very people go on to watch conspiracy videos, that are outlined to do the very same effect to the people watching that....and by the end, they are ready to take to the streets over the shit they just learned! yet they dont realize they've just been had just as much as any fox news viewer...mind already made up for them by misrepresented facts and directed path-walking. ha |
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pulseclock, anyone can discuss... another example - these same coffee shop kids who think they're so smart --- telling me how evil credit card companies are, or how they know how the real world works financially and all the games they play... and those very kids are deep in debt (credit cards) and dont have a dime to their name (live paycheck to paycheck and dont have any fiscal responsibility/independence/savings/etc...spend their money on stupid shit and then want to lecture me on banks/financial system/etc. that's the type hypocrisy im relating directly to the 9/11 topic. hopefully that explains it a bit better the point im trying to get across. |
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that's great. |
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Well congs to Freqy for finally making a thread that people responded to, even if he did have to rely on one of the defining moments of the 21st Century to get there. |
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If you were so fucking brilliant you'd be able to make your point succinctly and not have to bang on and on and on, post after post saying the same thing |
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Well the great thing about the internet is that you don't have to be so personal about everything and you don't have to disclose your financial information with people you talk to in order to maintain your integrity, but I see your point that reality is always more credible as opposed to some unreferenced information gathered by a biased group/individual. |
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The internet is 100% good. There's no bad to be found within its nature. It may be perhaps the greatest achievement mankind has thus far produced, and if a couple of pussies and duckfuckers get their hands on it to do their gay shit on it, more power to them. I'll simply not give those people, or their dumbass sponsors, any ad revenues by not going to the part of the toobs that they occupy. Then again... the internet did cause that whole Ron Paul thing. >={ |
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By the way, I went to middle school a few blocks away from the WTC towers on September 11th, and anybody who thinks that it was caused by anybody other than a few crazy radical Islamo-fascist nutjobs can go fuck themselves. |
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no other skyscraper has ever collapsed from fire. the wtc towers were designed to withstand multiple jet impacts. unmistakable conclusion: the towers were brought down in controlled demolition. lemme tell ya, this job was SO inside, people often had major difficulty finding the way out. |
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The architects and draftsmen who designed the towers have gone on the record stating that it was built to stay put even in the instance of planes smacking into it. Demolition specialists have been taken into the building and have pointed to evidence of obvious demolition in keeping with standard practice in the field. More than thirty former military and government officials have stood up over this and said that the US government is lying. None of this is conspiracy, it is all easy to find within a few minutes of googling. None of this is saying "the Jews did it" or "the government did it" but they are all saying that the official story is a bunch of bullshit and we are being lied to. |
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"The architects and draftsmen who designed the towers have gone on the record stating that it was built to stay put even in the instance of planes smacking into it." If this is your evidence that we're being lied to, then I'd check your premises. It's much more likely that the architects and draftsmen were incompetent. Do you understand the implications of saying that the US government is engaging in a conspiratorial lie on a grand scale - only to be "found out" by a couple of bratty college kids with iMacs? |
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"The architects and draftsmen who designed the towers have gone on the record stating that it was built to stay put even in the instance of planes smacking into it." It was designed for that as well as for fire. It couldn't stand the heat however of the thousands (tens of thousands?) litres of burning kerosene. "Demolition specialists have been taken into the building and have pointed to evidence of obvious demolition in keeping with standard practice in the field. " It looks like a controlled demolition so it is one? |
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"even if it were true, who cares?" I would have expected better from someone as intelligent as Chomsky |
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he also says it would have implications and he means to say energy should be used more wisely |
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I think Chomsky means one should look at the broader picture and why this might happen, I doubt he means "dhurr.. whatever" |
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"no other skyscraper has ever collapsed from fire. the wtc towers were designed to withstand multiple jet impacts. " that's the shit im talking about. lol. the kinetic energy from the impact of an object with such mass alone is enough to damage the structural integrity of the building. i think watching all the impact videos on youtube has made some people believe/visualize in their head that the entire impact much smaller/less forceful than it really was. "no other skyscraper has ever collapsed from fire. the wtc towers were designed to withstand multiple jet impacts. " sounds like they're just covering their own ass. was it tested and modeled? did the modeling technology even exist at the time wtc was designed? the mere fact of how little some people view the impact / explosion is what really blows my mind. the videos don't really do justice the sheer kinetic force of such an impact. "The architects and draftsmen who designed the towers have gone on the record stating that it was built to stay put even in the instance of planes smacking into it. " wow - what a vague term. "it can withstand planes smacking into it" there are so many more variables that are completely ignored by such a statement it is mind boggling. way to dumb it down. next time im presenting design requirements, ill be sure to make an honest attempt to be so vague of details. |
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This thread is not worth it. I'm not feeding the trolls anymore. Back to your regularly scheduled electronic chatter. |
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"go to Washington monument, take a guided tour to the top and wait there" . lol :P |
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The date of the attack: 9/11: 9 + 1 + 1 = 11 Anagram for September eleven TEN REV BE, ME SLEEP Rev 10-1 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 911 is the Number for Help in many countries - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11. Greaterthings/news/911 Note: We received this information in an e-mail dated 9-5-2001, prior to the World Trade Center event. It seems rather prophetic. Under the WTC are 7 floors which go into a deep pit. Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is 1Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name 2Apollyon We are living in the time of the Book of Revelation - Rev. 9:11 (This is another name for Satan and possibly his posterity. Biblical scholars say this is the 'destroyer'. Helena P. Blavatsky states that the 'destroyer' is the God Shiva). Mohammed's birth is celebrated on the 11th day of the 9th month September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11. After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year. 119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11. Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11. The number of stories is 110 (2x) 110 - 110 Remember that the zero "0" is not a number, so we have 11:11 The number of Tower windows = 21,800 2+1+8+0+0 = 11 The third building #7 to fall had 47 stories = 4+7=11 The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11 American Airlines number1-800-245-0999 1+8+0+0+2+4+5+0+9+9+9=47 = 11 State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union New York City - 11 Letters Afghanistan - 11 Letters The Pentagon - 11 Letters Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted of orchestrating the bombing attack on the WTC in 1993. He is a blind man. He was a Muslim teacher in a mosque) |
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If you annagram 'Osama bin Laden' you get.... "A blind Man O sea".... 'Man o sea' is spanish for..."a man that is" If you say it...'A Man o sea blind' it means... 'A man that is blind' If you put in "a man o sea blind" into a language translator it gives you back... ' to the man that is blind' Since Osama bin Laden means 'A man that is blind' you have 'the blind man leading the blind' George W. Bush - 11 Letters Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11 Flight 11 had 11 crew members Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11 The Flight 11 call letters were AA11: A=1, A=1, AA=11. Four of the hijackers on flight AA11 have the initials A. A. for their names: AA=11. The fifth AA11 hijacker was the pilot, Mohamed Atta, 11 letters, and AA in last name. Flight AA11 had 92 people on board - 9 + 2 = 11. Flight AA11 had 11 crew members - 2 pilots and 9 flight attendants. The target of Flight AA11 was in New York City -11 letters. The State of New York was the 11th State added to the Union. Manhattan Island was discovered on Sept. 11, 1609 by Henry Hudson -11 letters. Trade Center is 11 letters, and Skyscrapers is 11 letters. World Trade Center Towers is 22 letters - 2 x 11 =22. The WTC Twin Towers - standing side by side, look like the number 11. The first WTC tower hit (North Tower) collapses at 10:28 A.M. -1+2+8=11. The 1st Fire Unit to arrive to the WTC towers was FDNY Unit 1. Unit 1 lost 11 firemen. The WTC towers collapsed to a height of 11 stories. |
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After 99 days of burning, NYC declares the WTC fires are extinguished - 9 x 11 = 99. The World Trade Center fires burn continuously for 99 days, between September 11, 2001 and December 19, 2001. The World Trade Center fire is the longest burning commercial fire in U.S. history. On September 7, 2002, NYC Medical Examiners announced the revised official death toll from the World Trade Center attacks was 2,801 - (2+8+0+1 = 11). On the morning of September 11, 2002 the names of 2,801 victims were read at a Ground Zero Ceremony. It took 2 ½ hours to read all the names. According to the FBI, earlier terrorists originally planned to hijack 11 planes. Thirty days after the attack, the FBI releases a Most Wanted Terrorist List with 22 names. Mohammed, the prophet of the Muslim faith, died in 632 A.D. - 6+3+2=11. The Taliban's Manual of Afghan Jihad (Holy War) is 11 volumes. 119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran - 1 + 1 + 9 = 11. The League of Arab States is comprised of 22 Arab nations - 2 x 11 = 22. The suspected base of the terrorists is Afghanistan - 11 Letters. Osama bin Laden's birthplace is Saudi Arabia - 11 letters. Ramzi Yousef - convicted of orchestrating the 1993 WTC attack - 11 Letters. The Prime Minister of Israel - Ariel Sharon - 11 Letters. Deputy PM, & Minister of Foreign Affairs for Israel - Shimon Peres - 11 Letters. On Friday 9-13-2001, President George W. Bush went to the WTC to talk with and thank the Firefighters, rescuers, and police officers who have given their time and hearts tirelessly 24 hours a day since the horrible tragedy. President Bush stood on top of a pile of rubble with a firefighter whose helmet was numbered 164. 1+6+4 = 11 The train which was stopped and two suspected terrorist arrested near San Antonio, Texas was #121 = 11 x 11 The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11 by American Airlines or AA - A=1st letter in alphabet so we have again 11:11 |
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The train which was stopped and two suspected terrorist arrested near San Antonio, Texas was #121 = 11 x 11 The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11 by American Airlines or AA - A=1st letter in alphabet so we have again 11:11 The house where the terrorist are believed to have lived had # 10001 (don't count the zeros) Flight 11, 93, 175, 77 - If these numbers are broken down, 11 actually remains the same in numerology, 93 becomes 12, 175 becomes 13 and 77 becomes 14. 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 Broken down again and you have 2 - 3 = 4 - 5. Add them all up and break them all down! 11 + 93 + 175 + 77 = 356 = 14 = 5 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 = 50 = 5 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 = 14 = 5 Twin Towers =11 + Flight 11 + September, 11th = 33 The number "33" is linked to Freemasonry. "The Symbolism and Spiritual Significance of the Number Eleven" |
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The two flight numbers of the planes which hit the twin towers were 11 and 175 11 + 175 = 186 divided by 2 = 93 (The number of Aleister Crowley's Thelema) The Twin Towers (Pillars) The flight number of the plane which crashed in Pennsylvania, possibly intended to hit the White House = 93 (The number of Aleister Crowley's Thelema) Ninety-three [93] is an extremely important number in Thelema, it is in fact the numeration of Thelema [Theta, Epsilon, Lambda, Eta, Mu, Alpha], Will, referring to one's purpose for existing, as well as Agape [Alpha, Gamma, Alpha, Pi, Eta], Love, in part, the means of doing one's Will. The 93 Current of Thelema is shown to be synonymous with the Lightning Flash of the Qabalistic Tree of Life. Federalist Paper 93 is about the State of the Union under a Failed Constitution The flight number of the plane which hit The Pentagon = 77 The Pentagon is a 5 pointed Star Irridium, which is twice as heavy as lead has atomic number 77 |
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The iridium, Ir, atomic number 77, is a white metal which the name is a derivative of the Greek word "iris" meaning" rainbow". It is under the sign of the rainbow that God concludes his Alliance between him and the humanity, and the Christian remains in this Alliance if he forgives 77 times the faults of his brothers (Mt 18,22). According to Jacob Boehme, 77 is the total number of the divine revelation thanks to the Word formed. Because starting from only one Verb speaking and a unique vital spirit, it exit 77 languages of which "five belong to the Spirit of God who speaks by his children when and as He wants; but the sixty-twelve others belong to the persons and to the human particularities by which speaking the own intelligence of the man, telling at the same time lies and truths. Also the sixty-twelve languages, that is to say Babel, must pass by the court of God and the pure has to be separated from the impure and to undergo the test of the fire". World Trade Center = 16 = 1+6=7 Jesus asks to forgive 70 times 7 times The 77 generations of Adam to the Christ according to the evangelist of Luke. (Lk 3,23-38) Cain is avenged 7 times but Lamek, 77 times. (Gn 4,24) Halley's comet, turning around the sun, reappears approximately every 77 years. The numerical value of the Hebrew word BGhE, meaning to pray, gives 77. Federalist Paper 77 is about the powers of the President |
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The Height of the Towers: 1368 feet equals 9... 1+3+6+8=18=9 414 meters... 4+1+4=9 A buried firetruck brought out of the wreckage was number 18 - 1+8=9 The number on the sleeve of a trader on the stock market floor at opening was 477 4+7+7=18 = 1+8 = 9 The address where the builder of the Twin Towers has his offices is 666 5th Ave. Reverse numbers can be just as important and symbolic as numbers which go forward. A movie playing now in theatres is U-571, the story of a submarine in WWII. Their job was to decode messages during war. 571 - reversed is - 175 - one of the planes which just hit the World Trade Center |
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good point Guybrush, i'm done with this stuff. |
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i always like how numerologists are so fucking smart, yet can't seem to develop their argument beyond the basic mathmatical functions |
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two hundred sixteen |
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chomsky video is great |
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I think Chomsky pretty much wraps it up. Almost says what I said above word for word. Why? Because it's basic common sense. As Elusive says, you don't need to look into this event at any deeper level, a) because you haven't the technical expertise to attempt to do so. b) you're discussing it amongst the ignorant. But, you can take an overall view, based on common sense, and within 5 seconds realise you don't need to look any deeper. Besides, conspiracy theorists often have their own agenda, like making money out of this thing, and/or using it as propaganda against the American government. I took a look at just one site - http://www.911sharethetruth.com/ - and saw all the DVDs, CDs, postcards and t-shirts they're selling. They're not conspiracy theorists, they're running a business. |
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it's because they're not trying to show off their smarts or math skills but are saying there's obvious connections. same goes with the conspiracists. it's easy saying they're dumb, and make yourself look smart. but in fact conspiracies could be true a lot of the times. they're not because of what chomsky says |
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nah, its bullshit because if you look for patterns, you find them. |
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