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offline Mr Brazil from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2010-06-21 01:17 [#02384942]
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I just listened to the first disc and have come to the
conclusion that it's not worth the time listening to the
rest.

It's just that it sounds like a kid with novice composing
skills messed around and composed a junior music piece, not
a bona fide opera that Glass purports it to be.

This is music now a days. I don't think high art exists
anymore. I listened to a 'small' opera earlier by Purcell,
Dido and Aeneas, and Einstein doesn't even come close to
approaching it in quality. You'd think that with a 300 year
spread people would be composing even better awe inspiring
music. Will we be driving gas/petroleum fueled vehicles 300
years from now? Eh, probably...


 

offline Mr Brazil from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2010-06-21 01:19 [#02384943]
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It's not that it just doesn't equal or excel in comparison
to older 'classical' works, but that it just fucking sucks
guys. I mean, it really, really does.


 

offline Advocate on 2010-06-21 02:57 [#02384953]
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LAZY_TITLE


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2010-06-21 04:55 [#02384960]
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One work by one semi-pop composer is not enough to draw
conclusions on contemporary music or high art. If you want
to listen to Serious Music by Serious Composer and compare
them to Past Masters, at least learn a little about them.
I'm pretty sure Philip Glass gets no respect whatsoever in
academic circles.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2010-06-21 07:40 [#02384962]
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The music is nice, but the words are very annoying.


 

offline Squawk on 2010-06-21 12:45 [#02384972]
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you suck!

Some tracks are a bit annoying, but some are simply
beautiful.



 

offline Torture Garden from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2010-06-21 14:32 [#02384979]
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Do you honestly really think that everything constantly gets
better in time? Pretty naive, brah.

Dido and Aeneas is great, but music from back then was in a
different chamber though.

Popular and high art crossover sometime last century, check
it out. Glass does get no respect in academic circles, but
don't let that put you off.

Here's a great composition by Tristan Murail, great living
composer. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRuxHVWfQtA


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2010-06-21 15:25 [#02384982]
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it would be wise to consider -that-

-having- your ships and ours
-your- aircraft and ours

in -such- proximity

is inherently -dangerous-, mr. ambassador



 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2010-06-21 15:54 [#02384983]
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Einstein on the Beach has a wonderful last act / finale, so
you shouldn't stop midway, although if you didn't like it
this far, I guess there's no point in forcing your way
through.

It takes a different approach to listen to Philip Glass
rather than traditional opera. The emphasis is on minimal
change and repetition (obviously). It has no dramatic
development to speak of. Einstein on the Beach was a very
innovative piece when it premiered in 1975. It takes a
particular approach to listen to it, with tiny changes
taking place over long stretches of time. Try counting the
rhythms to discover hidden textures in the music. To
understand it, you have to understand the influence of
traditional Indian music on Glass during those years,
especially via his affiliation with Ravi Shankar. Glass
combined tonal and rhythmic patterns in a new way, although
he was not the first (or the most innovative) of the
American minimalists. Nonetheless, I think his pieces from
the early and mid-1970's (including especially Music in 12
Parts and Einstein on the Beach) are well worth listening
to, since they contain the essence of his style. (On the
side, you should listen to some Terry Riley, La Monte Young,
Steve Reich and John Adams.)


 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2010-06-21 15:56 [#02384985]
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Correction: it premiered in 1976 and not '75.


 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2010-06-21 16:12 [#02384987]
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I found a documentary about it, pretty cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYmMHqQrh4M


 

offline PS on 2010-06-21 19:05 [#02385006]
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Per haps, Robert Ashley might better suit your tastes.

AGREED.
7


 

offline PS on 2010-06-21 19:06 [#02385008]
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I'm not gonna say if I like it or not.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2010-06-21 23:43 [#02385037]
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I wasn't saying anything about the quality of Glass's music,
honestly. I'm not one to think that serious academic music
is better, it's kind of a repugnant idea.
I thought Mr Brazil's argument was very weird, it's like
saying
Oh, how did we go from great painters such as Michelangelo
to trash like Milton Glaser or The Designers Republic? The
art world's gone to hell.


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2010-06-21 23:55 [#02385038]
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get rich ribs or die tryin


 

offline Torture Garden from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2010-06-22 11:30 [#02385064]
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didn't mean to single that comment about academic circles
out. you're right about his argument.

To be honest though, I don't really listen to Reich, Adams
or Glass anymore.


 

offline Tussle Toss from United States on 2018-02-26 13:33 [#02545160]
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fuckk


 


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