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No they didn't. I never said they did. I referred to him as the "dying reuters reporter" as an identifier, so you'd know who I was talking about. |
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pulseclock, yes i was at the show. it was good. kode9 was boring. horrible. "elusive still hasn't responded to the fact that they proceeded to obliterate a van and obviously unarmed people who were trying to help the dying reuters man. " they were gathering weapons and insurgents to carry them away. the van didn't have a medic sign on it (rules of engagement). |
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"Also, elusive, get off your fucking high horse. Talking down to people, basically telling them that they can come back and debate war and politics with you once they've learned as much as you know about weapons of killing makes you come off sounding not just like a complete arsehole, but one of those creepy gun-nut loons that everyone hates. " im pretty sure i was just pointing out everyone on the nets is drawing their disgust and conclusions from the luxury of their computer chair in their air conditioned home while listening to ambient musics. just trying to put it into context. you are not in the emotional / heightened state to understand the moment. you also had every little thing pointed out for you (highlighted) in the video, and the opportunity to rewind over and over before you draw your conclusion on what is correct / what went wrong / what should have been done. just understand that in the live world, sometimes you do not have those luxuries. that's the only point i was trying to make. the environment of which you watched the video is not in the same context as the time and place that the video was taken. ..and your emotions reflect this. |
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there are places in this world where people cannot make money other than that way or become a soldier of the anti-state, realize this in the country where i live, at the time of the compulsory military service, soldiers were the last layer of the society and conscientious objectors were either catholic masons or pricks full of money, who happened to know this or that officer. fascism and bigots unite inn corruption and pick up human material from the poor and the ignorant, such news you can't ask one that has been brainwashed in order to consider himself a walking piece of meat to have higher values in a situiation like that, it's well hypocritical oh and war sucksâ„¢ |
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Let's Godwin this up a bit. Because look, guys. Killing millions of Jews is ugly. It's hell. And it's easy to pick flaws from the comfort of your home, taking things out of context, when you're not caught up in national fervor and widespread antisemitism. But that's genocide for you. What can you do? |
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I liked the dude before kode9, he was playing a lot of diff. funky records. |
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That was your other point. The fact that it's easy to pick it apart from the comfort of your own armchair. That point was completely discrete from you saying: "if you want to lecture me on the weapons systems of the ah-64, then you got some serious street credit to build. " "no, you've just never been in a combat scenario - so you don't really have room to talk. nor, from your language, do i think you've ever been in the professional workforce, either. " etc Also, I already pre-empted your "THEY WERE TAKING AWAY THE GUNS" bit that everyone's falling back on, but you managed to conveniently ignore that, and instead just reiterate the point. Which I had already addressed. |
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moodyman? yeah, that was nice and chill too. flying lotus played that war games jam, too...what fun PORICK, stop taking my shit out of context. i said ""if you want to lecture me on the weapons systems of the ah-64, then you got some serious street credit to build. "" in response to kei9 talking about what the gunner sees, when, etc. |
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Horse-Whisperer Cosner this a Cock a Goose, give me clearance to engage on these dirty bastards for the subsequent youtube lols (keep filming Barbecue Freedom Hold the Mayo) |
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i don't know that they'll let a fella join who has asperger's |
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why do you think i have aspergers? If i have aspergers then you have tourettes |
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i dunno. i thought you said you had aspergers when you first started using xlt. i could be wrong or etc. no biggie. |
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the shooters lied to their command, they said they were shooting at them (shooting pictures maybe) only to get the OK to fire upon them. it's hard to not see this as trigger happy soldiers wanting to shoot stuff up. you can also hear his wishful thinking about that wounded crawling guy picking up a gun. and how anxious they were to shoot the van. |
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fukin idiot was hanging with insurgents to get great shots/photos....NUFF SAID. IDIOT. and OK, that is incorrect. watch the unedited video and read the reports... the choppers were called in because the ground forces were taking fire. they're not trigger happy. get the full fucking story first, instead of crusading on an internet witch hunt. you failed. the rest of the internet came to that conclusion today. idiots. |
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the military is so creepy! so are its contractors in the "professional work force!" |
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when they guy with the camera is seen at the corner they say they are shooting at them. that is a lie and it's not editing magic. they say "they are sooting at us can we fire"? |
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yep, keep letting your emotions override a combat scenario where tensions are high, OK !! it's ok to admit you were wrong and hopped on an internet bandwagon and let your emotions get the best of you ... when you clearly don't have any idea how the shit works in the real world until you have a video point it out for you. let me break it down for you: -reporter hanging out with insurgents to get great photos (that his colleagues were probably jealous of)..."how does he keep getting these great shots !?" -reporter was not wearing any tags/creds/anything to signify himself that he was a journalist/photographer/etc -he was hanging around insurgents with live RPG round/weapons -he was hanging around the area where small arms/RPG were reported (hence the reason the air support was called in it's his own damn fault... period. did you read the reports? did you do any research? do you know how combat situations like this work? did you even watch the full, unedited video? or just the wikileaks broken down one. or don't you have that kind of attention span, once you already have your mind made up on "who was right and who was wrong" ... with RPGs in the area, it's pretty much kill or be killed. the whole reason they were there was because ground forces were taking small arms fire. IT IS A WAR ZONE. IF YOU'RE HANGING AROUND THAN YOU ARE AN IDIOT. IF YOU ARE HANGING WITH INSURGENTS TO GET THAT GREAT "SHOT" TO MAKE YOUR CAREER WITHOUT ANY CREDENTIALS ON, YOU ARE AN IDIOT. |
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it's about the others getting killed too. getting killed while they don't even know whether they did something. really i'd pick a winable battle |
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it's a war zone get over it. war is ugly and unpredictable. and ugly. if you're hanging around insurgents with AK/small arms + RPG moments after they were engaged with US forces (e.g. the reason why the air support was called in the first place) - you're an idiot. if i were in iraq (a local) - i sure as hell would stay away from anyone flashin' an RPG. ice cube didn't even have to use his AK |
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If you like war so much why don't you marry it? |
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"did you read the reports? did you do any research? do you know how combat situations like this work?" Elusive's "research" in this field is fairly comprehensive - it consists of checking reddit once daily. Also, all those times war photographers and journalists embedded with US forces were shot, or captured and executed, I hope you told everyone you thought they were a fucking idiot and were asking for it, Elusive. Or didn't you, since they were embedded with the good guys? |
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"Elusive's "research" in this field is fairly comprehensive - it consists of checking reddit once daily." more assumptions from you on what i know or what ive researched. "Also, all those times war photographers and journalists embedded with US forces were shot, or captured and executed, I hope you told everyone you thought they were a fucking idiot and were asking for it, Elusive. " you're still missing the point and being blinded by emotions from the comfort of your home / not living in a war-time situation - the photographer wasn't following protocol. he didn't have any credentials, nor did reuters even report that they had any men in the area that day. this guy went off on his own, hanging around with insurgents to get great shots for his career. how can you even compare previous captured journalists who clearly label themselves as media, like they're supposed to --- versus this guy who took great risks to get great shots??? are you completely ignoring this massive fact that he basically put himself in this position? hanging in the vicinity / next to insurgents engaged in battle with US forces, especially with loitering RPG rounds, and you expect not to get shot at? |
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You shouldn't let your emotions get in the way of your warring |
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how about that part in the unedited version when they fire a fucking missile while some civilian was just walking around there. |
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Frisbee Gulf War |
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I believe the following video fully justifies the American's behaviour by showing the rules of engagement: |
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that episode rules :-> |
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So true because every American thinks like what Trey Parker and Matt Stone portray on South Park. Anyways there are too many blanket statements by both sides of the argument, the fact that the Reuters man was killed is obviously not favorable. Even the U.S. involvement in Iraq in the first place is wrong, but the situations that occur as a result of U.S. Troops being militarized there should not just be overlooked as pigheaded and wrong, because American troops are just doing their duties to protect their national security by opposing these insurgents who want to destroy them. and if you're near the line of fire so to speak, then you're more than likely going to be shot. |
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Americans troops should go playing the fucking sof air to their own countryside |
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Even by internet standards you don't half fucking go on. |
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All day every day i'll be against you fucks. |
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I'm sorry Steinvord, i was partially angry because i didn't even understand what you meant in that post. I assume that you're probably a lot smarter and wiser than me. Mohamed, air-soft is sweet but paintball is awesome. |
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insurgents, insurgents. it's people. walking around with a gun, not doing anything, getting shot and killed without a trial. there's no justice. and it's not a war situation |
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so, this went on and on. elusive, pulseclock you are both wrong. get over it. or fuck you both. elusive, really man, if you were here, this would turn into a combat scenario cause I would be bashing my bottle of rum against your face. stop saying "you were never in a combat scenario, you were never in a combat scenario" I mean we already know you are stupid, buddy. you were never in a combat scenario either, and nobody cares. this is simple stuff really. the discussion is not about what would you do if a guy like kei9' was stabbing you in the face with half a bottle of beer, of course you would try to fight back. but this is not the situation we see in the vid, the people there were walking around. I see no "combat scenario" there. I mean if I was trying to kill you i would be ducked behind some boxed trying not to be seen by you. do you understand what I mean? and If I stabbed you in the back and killed you there would be only one word for that action, that is MURDER. and thats what we see in the video. so shut up man. you want a combat scenario? Ill piss on your corpse and talk about it with kyle "haha sorry" fuck that! this guys where in the fucking sky shooting bullets at people because they walked the wrong way. and if you think the reuters dudes were idiots for hanging about with "insurgents" to "get good pics" then this guys in the "ah-64" are fucking idiots for joining the army to get some money and if I was flying that "ah-64" listening to "kyle" speak I would just ram the damn thing against the nearest cliff. and you would cry "oh my precius ah-64, it had been in a combat scenario that fucking mexican dude just couldnt deal with it. could do his job couldnt deal with a combat scenario I told him so" |
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plz be civil |
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warzone xltronic, the place where anyone is an insurgent. even phobs. *faint rumbling of an apache in the distance* |
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christmas bear is (still) watching us |
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fuck me |
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:) |
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dunno what elusive said cos its really long and a bit boring. but...well i've seen other footage like this, non of what happened surprised me. its sad but im not shocked or outraged. everything that happened is exactly how it always goes with the us military flying around. if i saw lots of dead bodies and a us helicopter circling the destruction i wouldnt pull up in a van (and definitely not with children in the back) without expecting a lot of trouble. i like this vid. i guess its a good example of exactly how everything happens in iraq. people get shot at and everything spills into escalated shit cos the army protocol is paranoid and the civilians are desperate/clueless/caught in the wrong place wrong time. wrong to call the guy an IDIOT tho isnt it. |
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ima watch the hurt locker maybe greenzone actually |
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<>b""Wikileaks.org claims that any attempt at trace routing of IP addresses, MAC addresses" the layer-2 MAC address is not relevant/available past the source host's first local gateway/router. people who don't understand networks probably shouldn't speak on the subject. |
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Elusive, you're happy to chip in on "combat situations" as you sit in the server room, so maybe you should ONLY speak about Networks. And Frisbee Golf. |
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the only defense wikileaks has is getting information out there. if governments want to take them down they can |
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wtf is a server room |
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special room with servers |
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where do all those servers plug into? |
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Oh, so you're fighting Terrorism with Pedantry. Cool. |
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