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Linux = steampunk? |
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both are analogue and digital, electronic in other words and digital is made from analogue so digital is analogue, in a certain way :-D electronic music for the win |
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oh and you could describe the cpu and certain computers as microelectronic :-D |
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There was time then mainly analog electronics was used. Analog electronic devices are big, very inefficient. Today systems is small and efficient. |
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You can always tell music made on Windows because of the aliasing and digital harshness. That is a legacy of the DOS operating system at the heart of every Windows. |
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Imagine having to nod sagely as you listened to these people talking at you. |
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Apart from fleetmouse who you'd convince to have sex with you and move away from limited oral congress and onto the broader dialogue that only bodily contact permits. |
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I completely agree and have no clue what you're on about. |
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Every well known OS gives enough space for aps to store and process information. There is no known problems with audio quality except individual software bugs. I deeply suspect that you don't know what you talking about am I correct? |
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I am on my own and I just amused myself chanting "Erection Inspection". There's nothing to see here. |
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I know a great deal about electronics and a fair amount about computer architectures and operating systems, so I'm finding it hard to refrain from feeding the trolls. Anyway here's an appropriate |
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If we talking about electronics I say analog and digital is always together never separated. |
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Digital is masculine in character because it's hard and angular, and analog is feminine because it's curved like a woman. So men who use windows are gay. They might as well be fisting a bro. Men who use Mac to make music are hetero and have art babies. |
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Sorry except digital displays, keyboard and etc witch uses pure digital signals. Other IO interfaces/devices is analog in nature therefore is operating with help of analog el. currents (mic, acoustic systems, radio frequency modulation, ...voltage modulation systems and so on...) Seems everything is digital today - digital AND analogous. To simplify I can say this - I can form perfect sine wave by using zeros and ones. As I said digital is only technology to sculpt analogous physical world. There is no difference between. Quality is not issue in digital, only cost of technology. |
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art babies :D |
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Mac is analog as in doesn't have as many features as the digital Windows and breaks down by itself from time to time? sure, why not. |
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tikital cummputer |
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I beg to differ (technical pedantry follows - look away now) You cannot make a perfect sine wave form zeros and ones because you will suffer from quantisation errors. Even if these are imperceivable, they still exist. A "perfect" sine wave has all spectral energy at a single frequency, which is impossible with any quantisation errors. In the real world this is pretty academic.... hmmm I must get out more. Now, please carry on with this most amusing thread. |
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I meant 'perfect' sine wave. I cant make perfect sine wave. Human hearing perception is limited, and technology is far beyond limits of human perception. I assume you know that there is limit where quantisation errors cant be detected by human. So further discussion about analog and digital data streams differences is irrelevant. What matters is result (what you get from it) not technology which makes certain product. |
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try using that argument with the photography community |
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There is people who are obsessive about quality and perfection. This fanaticism blinds them to see things in rational manner. |
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i'm having an awful time. |
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There is too many pixels in newfangled cameras. When you take pictures as Bod Bylan says there is light all over them. It's a picological disgrace. |
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this thread reads like a conversation between a stoner and someone who's dead serious. |
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A stoner, a drunk, an acid head and a fleetmouse came to the gate of a city before dawn. The gate was locked and the stoner said "let's just lie down and wait till it opens." The drunk said "let's smash it down!" The acid head said "let's take acid and float through the keyhole." Meanwhile, the fleetmouse had wandered around the side and found an open door. |
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this thread reads like a conversation between a stoner, someone who's dead serious and a cocky zen-monk on crack. |
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when i play shows i make sure that everyone else uses the same kind of computer as me or i wont play |
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pulseclock wins the internet and nigel wins a smaller but still respectable internet |
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No, this thread wins the internet |
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STFU Greg, you have 17 points and your in Australia if you see my cousin Alex, say "hi" to her for me thanks YO! |
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Yeah there's only five of us over here, I'm sure I'll run into her at some point :-P |
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There is more than five people in Australia. |
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They only look like people. they have pouch |
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I don't know how much you know about analogue and digital synthesis. One of the reasons their hasn't been many analogue FM synthesizers made is because its too hard to make reliable waveforms with analogue oscillators. |
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I would imagine that it's more to do with the sheer number of oscs needed. Something like 7 operator FM needs 8 VCOs for.... monophony! Multi-multi VCO lends itself to digital. You can just just clock through some wavetables doing the sums then blast it out to a DAC. I'm sure FM would sound wicked on a bank of VCS3s! (Infact FM sounds amazing on a Synclavier, but that's another story) |
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Well, no. The reason they never did much FM with analogue (until recently) was that it was too hard to make the analogue oscillators generate reliable waveforms. Number of oscillators had nothing to do with it. |
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What do you mean by reliable? I take reliable to mean works to specification often/always, i.e. not broken. Do you mean stable? i.e. oscillators were too unstable to allow reproducible sounds to be created? I think you probably do. I would agree, but you can do FM with analogue oscs, just not get it to sound the same ever again, which is a good/bad thing (depends what you're up to). It would also sound like a noisy mess, which again might be just the ticket (or not).... However if you wanted to do polyphonic analogue FM synthesis knowing full well the limitations, you would still baulk at the number of VCOs needed! If you were so inclined, you could set up a simple FM synth using Reaktor or whatever, then add some pseudo-random noise to the modulating oscillators and play around. I think FM is cool technology. It's a shame it killed a lot of analogue synth companies, but hey, water under the bridge now.... I started to design an analogue polysynth, but feature creep set in and I wanted a FPGA with wavetables and FM too (and additive synth engine), so my plans are on hold! (ambition >> free time) Hybrid synths are the way to go. I really like "LA synthesis" too.... Funny thing is I barely use my only synth (Evolver desktop). Everything is done on my Akai S5000, so even a sampler makes a wicked synth.... Anyway I thought this was an OS holy war, not a synth one! |
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Yes, I was referring to the oscillator stability. I thought reliable would be a better word. Personally I don't care about whether or not its analogue or digital, as long as it makes interesting noises, so the while analogue vs digital debate is kind of stupid. However, you were talking about perfect sine waves and I was providing a counterpoint; even though digital suffers from quantization errors and whatnot, you will never get a perfect sine wave with analogue electronics, because analogue oscillators are not reliable enough to make the same shaped waveform on a consistent basis. Regarding this thread, I think it was designed to be a war of both. |
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Fuck. No edit button. This message board is stupid. |
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