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Advocate
on 2010-02-13 11:57 [#02366684]
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i'll die someday.
please remedy my irrational fear.
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RussellDust
on 2010-02-13 12:00 [#02366685]
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Maybe you could take comfort in knowing i'm going to die too and it's not something i look forward to. :)
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Advocate
on 2010-02-13 12:01 [#02366686]
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yes, that helps. thanks.
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2010-02-13 12:17 [#02366687]
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just realize that it will be peaceful once it's done, and then who knows maybe you'll be reborn again, to the vibrance and newness of birth!
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2010-02-13 12:21 [#02366688]
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you shouldn't seek a solution because it's not a problem our problem is our definition of the self i suppose but it's too much of a hassle to change it so you should just do something to forget about it, there's nothing wrong with denial, especially in this case
play some tetris, it's excellent for this
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Advocate
on 2010-02-13 12:22 [#02366689]
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or,
to never have been born may be the greatest boon of all... ?
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2010-02-13 12:22 [#02366690]
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i like this - "you shouldn't seek a solution because it's not a problem"
but how are humans in denial when they ponder death or the self?
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2010-02-13 12:25 [#02366691]
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well it's not like you are born from the earth (in the sense of actual physical birth) You are born from your parents, so to never be born at all is kind of a wierd thought, because you're just a product of your parents, so really you are just your parents! I sympathize with people who have problems with parents. Also with people who love their parents so much that they don't want them to die.
LIFE IS CRAZY YO
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Advocate
on 2010-02-13 12:27 [#02366692]
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i'm joking a bit here. it's not like i'm thinking about death everyday like george costanza or whatever. i don't think i have a bigger fear of it than average.
as a matter of fact i don't fear it at all. i think of it as a release into nothing, just like the time before you were born.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2010-02-13 12:29 [#02366693]
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i had a hard on die on me once
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RussellDust
on 2010-02-13 12:29 [#02366694]
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The End.
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Advocate
on 2010-02-13 12:30 [#02366696]
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you guys know that fleetwood mac song oh diane?
for years i thought he sang oh dying.
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Advocate
on 2010-02-13 12:30 [#02366697]
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nightex
from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2010-02-13 12:55 [#02366706]
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Do you believe you are physical? Then why science cant explain human mind? Are we not advanced enough? Yes maybe, but my intuition tells me that we never answer questions like "what I am?", because my mind resists to approve that my mind is just a program. If we are just programs, why we cant understand our self and our function? I think it is because we surrounded by infinite possibilities so we are not just 'machines'.
So if we are not machines, who are we? What is life then?
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nightex
from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2010-02-13 12:57 [#02366707]
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I mean that if we wana understand death (the end of our selfs) firs we have to know who we are.
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Advocate
on 2010-02-13 13:02 [#02366708]
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"Do you believe you are physical?"
Yes.
"Then why science cant explain human mind? Are we not advanced enough?"
Yes, possibly. It requires technology to decipher and understand brain functions.
The rest of what you wrote I don't understand. Define "machine" and "program" and we might get a conversation going.
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RussellDust
on 2010-02-13 13:02 [#02366709]
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Yes it's quite common that programs are self aware.
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nightex
from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2010-02-13 13:06 [#02366710]
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How is that so!?
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nightex
from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2010-02-13 13:14 [#02366712]
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By saying you are physical, you mean when you die you became just organic and other materials?
Program is thing who do what it suppose to do. We are not programs, because we cant know what to do, whats is our goal in life, nobody knows, maybe there is no such thing but that is another reason why we are not programs.
Machine is mechanism functioning by laws of physics and therefore machines movement could be predicted by using math.
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Terence Hill
from Germany on 2010-02-13 13:15 [#02366713]
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Terence Hill
from Germany on 2010-02-13 13:23 [#02366715]
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programs are not self aware. it's the computer scientist's hope to create self aware software at some point, but frankly i don't believe it's even possible, at least not with the theories we can imagine as of today.
on the other hand, we are building this very organic internet machine, which is part of our evolution and which we probably never will be able to understand, because we're only the cells in this thing.
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Advocate
on 2010-02-13 13:39 [#02366717]
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"By saying you are physical, you mean when you die you became
just organic and other materials?"
My body exists physically here and now. That is all I know, relying on my senses. What happens when I die? I have no idea. But I don't believe in metaphysics or religion, so my answer would be absolutely nothing.
Frankly, I don't understand why you introduce terms like program and machine when talking about existence. We have sciences which research the human body. They're called biology and psychology.
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nightex
from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2010-02-13 14:10 [#02366734]
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scientific method is not answer... Because with tools and scenes you can only examine physical world. There is another world which is beyond science space, mater and time. I believe we just cant look out of the box, because we are limited by our scenes and brain.
Science will discover more about our world and how it works but with every new finding we will face hundreds new unanswered questions. Buy this kind of statistic proof, I claim, we not meant to know world.
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Advocate
on 2010-02-13 14:35 [#02366742]
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OK.
end of discussion for me.
i'm sure more people want to discuss with you here.
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