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I don't care what's best for society. I care about what's best for me, and it would be entirely immoral for me to think otherwise. Nevertheless, destruction is harmful for human survival if it is a human that is being destroyed. (Being precise is not the same as being an idiot, mohamed, but nice try). On a more macro scale, it is harmful if it is done contrary to the rational self-interest (meaning: if it is performed as an initial aggression against another innocent human being) of the destroyers. The atom bomb was a poorly-implemented strategy of the US military that treated life cheaply. Though it is not technically a free nation's responsibility to worry about the casualties on the opposing side, it was an unnecessary muscle to flex, and did not really contribute to the Japanese surrender days later. That doesn't mean all destruction is contrary to human survival. |
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no matter what you believe, it comes down to faith. science is never going to be able to prove or disprove the existence of god, so there is no point in arguing it. people like to get really passionate about their hatred and disdain for people with opposite beliefs but it shows a lot more about them than it does the people theyre talking about. what you need to do is learn to respect everyone no matter what their beliefs are, try to see things from their point of view, without your negative/hateful bias, and realize that they have just as much reason to believe in their thing as you do, maybe even more. |
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When you say "respect everyone no matter what their beliefs are", you are including paedophiles, rapists and IDM promoters? |
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The only way Gary Glitter can get any less popular is if he starts making Intelligent Glam Music. |
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Rock and Snare Rolls (Part 2) |
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no but you are very good at twisting things. if someone believes in god, dont hate them for it. thats all. |
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I feel he has all the right to dislike someone religious. |
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What if someone's belief in God entails denying your right to contraception, to dressing as you please, loving whom you will, reading what you wish, and speaking your mind? "prominent advocates of Christian have written that according to their understanding, God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for propagators of idolatry[3][4][5], active homosexuals[6], adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, and blasphemers[7], and perhaps even recalcitrant youths[8] (see the List of capital crimes in the Bible)." |
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Fuck the skull of Jesus. I can say that and laugh because I don't live in a run by god-fags. |
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THE PROBLEM IS NOT THAT THE EVOLUTIONARY THEORY HAS SOME FLAWS, OR INCONSESTNESIES. THE PROBLEM IS THAT INTELLIGENT DESIGN DOES NOT EXPLAIN ANYTHING. CUZ TO DO SO, YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW 'GOD' EXACTLY WORKS, AND THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. GET IT! IF YOU SMUGGLE 'GOD' INTO THE EXISTING SCIENTIFIC DISCOURSE, YOU HAVE AN EXPLANATION FOR EVERYTHING : GOD - EXPLAINS EVERYTHING! THE CONSEQUNCE WOULD BE, THAT SCIENCE AND HUMAN PROGRESS WOULD BECOME IMPOSSIBLE! WHY BOTHER RESEARCHING IF YOU KNOW THAT 'GOD' IS RESPONSSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING? YOU COULD JUST PRAY TO GOD! NO NEED FOR MEDICAL OR TECHNOlOGiCAL INTERVENTIONS! GE IT? GET IT? THATS WHY SCIENCE RELIES ON NATURALISM, FALLIBILISM, SKEPTiCISM, ONTOLOGICAL REALISM, AND OKKHAMS RAZOR! |
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look i understand the problem of postmillennialism, the family, the catholic church and all that. bear in mind that no where in the new testament does Jesus call for a theocratic, earthly rule post old testament israel, or prior to His actual return. quite the opposite really, in the world but not of the world, obey the earthly rulers so long as they don't contradict me, and so on. of course that doesn't mean that no christian group should be involved in any sort of lobbying at all, because i think it is appropriate to a degree. i don't see anyone complaining about the type of lobbying groups like the ACLU do, or what they try to force on people. forcing a christian owned mom and pop copy store to accept satanic or pornographic copy work they tried to refuse because of free speech or whatever; going as far as to have once said porno should be allowed to be shown on airplanes. crazy stuff like that, and when morality is completely subjective and thus lost, who will there be to stop it and on what grounds? keep in mind that also that you could use your same logic to say, well hitler was bad, stalin was bad, george w bush did some bad stuff, so i am going have to say that having a person as the main ruler is bad and maybe governments in general are also bad. if you think it through you know it's not true and what are you would be left with is anarchy. |
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Ah, the three central figures of American Christian theology: Hitler, porn and the ACLU. When you get tired of repeating scare stories from Focus on the Family, maybe you can hit the bong and have a nice wank to relax, because you are the most porn-obsessed xltronician besides Hanal, and he's a porn star so he has an excuse. |
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science is god. you have to obey. freqy hath spoken . |
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I love your Ponyo avy! Still haven't watched it tho (no splrz plz) |
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Hey, if you see a Scientology ad on this page, click it. Every click transfers a small amount of money away from Scientology to Google and Phobiazero. It's better than spitting at Tom Cruise! |
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So as long as one rejects the desire for metaphysical curiousity, it's completely justified to act like a mongoloid asshole. check. |
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religion vs science... no not compatible... the definition of faith is believing in something with no evidence. that's the opposite of science. based on science the earth has been around for many millions of years, if any of the sky wizard theories were correct and care about whether the people believe them, then why does each religion only last a few thousand years at the most. surely if one of them were right we are either meant to know about it, or not know about it. if we're meant to know about it, then why limit it to the people born in the areas preaching it, also if we're not meant to know about 'the religion', then surely we wouldn't. either way, to believe in a magical sky wizard that created the earth is to believe that he/she was just sitting around bored for a few eleventy-five trillion years being bored with their blank canvas, so they made like a universe or some shit. where did the sky wizard come from to begin with? they must have been bored for that time pre humans. even if they do exist, i'm sure they're not some petty 4 year old toddler that feels hurt if people don't follow some wacky rituals in special buildings with the correct old skool decorations based on some arbitrary year. why the fuck would he/she care? on caring, why would they care when there is no actual evidence? (watch the last 45 seconds of that video). surely ye ole sky wizard wants us to use the brain we're born with. we use our senses to do shit every day. if we got to the gates i doubt they'd have a cry that we didn't believe in something from an old fable book. |
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monoid is a troll. trying to set up the community against each other. furthermore he's a classic troll, because of the themes he chooses to do so with |
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false dichotomy, yes |
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bottom line is this, if God is real, or even any gods for that matter, then of course science and faith would be compatible. science would by the set of means and tools that man would use to observe the world that the higher being created. in theory, if your science was good enough, you could test all the way to heaven, nirvana, or whatever we are going to say is real in this scenario, and see it to be objectively true. if God or any gods were not real, then of course they would not be compatible. religion is a fairy tale made up by people to deal with what they don't understand, or to deny that reality is random chance, in which case there is nothing to test. you could only test the phenomena by which people came up with such beliefs, socially, psychologically, etc. |
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4 year old toddler? they don't have the capacity to have deep thoughts about historical or scientific evidence. thats the point of them being young, they are ignorant to adult problems. but they have a fresh understanding on the preciousness of life. debate all you want but spirituality has no bearing in a scientific debate anyway, it's like saying "red vs, blue, which one is better/right." |
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Science will always exist, organised religion may not. As far as one can gather from living in a Western democratic country, religion is becoming less and less accepted as a belief system with agnostic and aethestic beliefs rapidly increasing. I would imagine they will continue to increase through the generations as society becomes wealthier and more secure in itself, thus kicking away the psychological crutches that religion feeds on for its very survival. As religion becomes increasingly redundant, it will no longer be able to sustain itself financially and the entire model will collapse. Already it is struggling, continually having to modify itself in order to co-exist with the wants of modern society. As certain cultures are more refined, better educated and wealthier than others, the speed of that adaptation will be determined by region. In Western society religion could be all but wiped out within 200 years as the anti-relgious thinking of man becomes a persuasive ulterior. People will turn their back on religion rather then feel ridiculed and outcast. Everybody wants to belong, and the majority find security in belonging no matter what the thought process. In poor, badly educated countries whose people continued to be thought controlled, organised religion will doubtless continue unabated. I would imagine this will only increased the divide. |
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i believe that the sciences, if utilized rationally and environemntally instead of for the status of power of nations and destruction. earthly harmony could be achieved, and the only threat humans would face in having dominion over this planet would be outside forces like asteroids and other advanced lifeforms. in our lifetimes, we will never as a race, experience a functional global utopian society. which is why spirituality has its place. people arent willingly being being falsely led, if they knew truth, almost all would search for a greater more fulfilling truth in other areas. like an ex-religious individual who discovers science. |
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There's no such thing as truth, it has no fixed point - there is only ideas, yet these constant comparisons create the very dichotomy that prevents the freedom and harmony you speak of whether religious or otherwise. I might not know what truth is, but I know what truth is not - it's not organised religion that's for sure. Humans first have to accept the limitations of thought, as it's entirely useless within the psychological/intellectual realm. As long as though is misused it will continue to create complete havoc. It's a race against time as to whether human thinking can mature into a beneficial tool or simply destroy everything around it. My betting is the latter. |
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well truth by definition is 'a fact that has been verified'. You can go on and on about, which words don't really mean anything, but they do matter when not speaking meta-philosophically. I am just expressing the thoughts i am assembling from electrical reactions in my brain, who knows if that is even 'true'. But I do agree that humanity has already thrown in the towel where the earth's concerned. Humans prefer to rely on their basic animalistic instincts in compliance with their prideful ignorance over their capacity to understand what they really are as a progressive organism. |
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Barcode debunked :D |
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Of course words matter when not speaking philosophically - I already said that, accept the limitations of thought. You need do use language for the basic necessities in life; anything above that, within the so-called "spiritual" sphere, is meaningless. |
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But i am not trying to involve spirituality with 'meaning' as you choose to see it here, the point i'm making is that spirituality has value because of the current state of human life on this planet. Not the state that you see as what humans are in denial of. Spirituality, to me, does not mean religion, whatsoever. They are two different things that are connected only by historical postulations. Spirituality, to me, is the ability to understand the life force, the overall process of life, death, birth, recycling energies, individual entities. If a human, like yourself, does not choose to see itself as spiritual, well then it sees itself as animal. This is obvious, but not the DEFINITIVE quality of a human being. We are not greater or better or smaller than any other organism, but we do have the ability to communicate as a society, this matters. |
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The definitive quality of a human being is an animal. Eat. Fuck. Die. Anything else your brain dreams up and superimposes on top of that is shit. Why do you believe thought has any significance? It doesn't. You may give it significance but that doesn't mean it has significance. Does a cow have spirituality? Does it care about "life force" - whatever the fuck that is? If so-called intelligent life did not exist would there be a "life force"? There would be nobody there to dream it up. Your body doesn't need it to function, and it doesn't need the idea of it either. It chucks out all that shit that thoughts invent. You exhibit that through stress just like your rectum chucks out the food it doesn't need. Your life is an hallucination. Everything you experience is second hand, every thought put there by others. Thought has enabled you to play games with it, overcome the hideous boredom. But you have to take it to the next level, dream up shit about spirituality. Stick to your Xbox. That's about as spiritual as life gets. |
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You're a condesending drone like the rest of the fuckin POOR ME people who can't envision anything beyond your immediate surroundings. A cow can't express its thoughts through words you idiot, it has nowhere near the brain faculty. Read up on your 'science' before you attack people with misplaced anger. Saying shit about Xbox, when you're the one on a dumbass mission attempting to berate people over an electronic music messageboard. It's better to be a dumb fish in a bowl full of smart ones than a smart one in bowl full of dumb fish. You choose the latter because your crying for acceptance. Stick to your U.G. that's as animal as you can seem to understand. 'Your life is a hallucination' Go back to the fucking matrix. |
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Why does no one else feel inclined to back me up here? Or atleast back Barcode up if he's more in line with what i'm trying to prove here. I hate these arguments with Barcode, thank god i have hobbies. |
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i don't really want to read this why do you start fighting right after i warned? did you want to prove me wrong? |
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I get it that Barcode is just trying to 'keep it real', but he's on XLT with an avatar of a dog with a dildo in its mouth. How can anyone else not see that for what it is? I am just happy that i'm not as dried-up, maybe it's age, maybe i'm just more comfortable with my hallucinated life. Whatever this is, it's eating at me, because it's like talking to a mirror, the words just get self-analyzed while talking to Barcode because he sees no meaning in reacting to the points i mention, only that they continue to be an after effect of a meaningless dream state. |
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know that guys smarter than you have already powned people like him in the past (other way around too), and forget about this argument |
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i mean what's there to argue about. it's false dichotomy false dilemma, like glasse pointed out sure religion caused a lot of suffering, but we'll never know what would have happened without it. people couldn't even do without is sure science is great. but it created the h-bomb too. but we'll never know how much happier we would have been withtout it. etc. |
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right, i'm not as 'in tune' as i thought i was anyway. It was just some wierd power struggle that Barcode was showing me through his observations on what i've said, i accept that. EMO |
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Monoid is a purebred European Trollhound. We use him to flush the quarry out of the bush so we can pick them off at our leisure. |
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what did you get out of that? |
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You're taking all this shit entirely too seriously. No trollo. |
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i choose not to be a nihilist |
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What a meaningless gesture. |
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hadn't thought about it that way yet :/ |
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Sorry if I was too aggressive - was not intentional to wind you up. Don't ask people to back you up though, stand on your own two feet. Who says what I say has to be right? Question me, question everything. |
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jebus. |
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Science vs religion. It difficult to find something common, exept that our culture is build on those two "things". Its like day and night. |
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religion is always irrelevant |
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so are opinions |
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opinions can be relevant, but as you just proved it, not always. |
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of course they are relevant, which was the actual point, and so is religion. whether or not the claims of a particular religion are true, it is still relevant because it affects culture and society, as has been pointed out numerous times by our atheist friends. do you believe islam is irrelevant? pissing matches, however, are in fact irrelevant. |
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