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fucking hell dag u sap. look there all sposedly cristian, therefor u can do what the fuck u like and they'll let u get on with it otherwise god will smite them all, just tell them that and that there all a bunch of pig fuckers. |
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just play some satanica videos next time :) but seriously if you dont mind them believers and how they are then best d be just leaving quietly. from my very limited church experience it wouldnt be too dramatic if you just state how you feel about it and you want to leave. the pastors i knew in germany were always open minded really i dont know about the person in charge you would have to deal with. good luck |
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this is a watmm thread. |
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so wait this is about you being lockedin a chruch against your will right? or about sex? |
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tell them youve got polio and cant make it to church any more. or just man the fuck up. |
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i guess if you mean you need to escape christian beliefs, then..why is that so hard? it's your life, they can suck on your balls. however i wouldn't dismiss the idea totally, just form your own ideas maybe |
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your just kinda too nice maybe. why dont you talk to em and get them to turn atheist with you. start a revolution! |
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If you consider the pastor your friend, why don't you just tell him? Why all the theatrics with sending out this mass email? Surely that's only stirring up the kind of trouble you're looking to avoid. I can't speak for the congregation, but preachers probably have a thicker skin than you give them credit for. As for slide-projection duties, I doubt your pastor friend would excommunicate you simply for acknowledging and being honest about what you believe. |
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if you're reluctant to tell them you're agnostic, why not tell them you're gay? just for the lulz you know. |
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pepe know this in mexico we have word "on family we do obey" |
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Well don't put all of your reasons in one basket, they are all separate issues and should be dealt with independently (even if somewhat interrelated). What I mean is, if you now live 40 mins away and feel it is putting a strain on you to continue doing this for this particular church, and you want to try to find a job and so forth, then that is one reason and a valid one. However, that being said, these people have known you much longer and are probably more willing to be personal with you and help then some people at a new church. Considering the amount of work you've done and how committed you have been they should be much more inclined to be there for you and help than to judge. What should concern them more than you're being gay, and what concerns me more, is when you say that now as an agnostic what you would really like to be is an atheist. Being involved in a church like this has probably given you much more exposure to the fruit of the Spirit than anything I'll type over a message board, so I am just curious why? It is kind of like saying, I have a pretty good idea God might exist, but I'm not sure what I think about all of it, so I wish I could just pretend that I didn't think that and just get on with it. |
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Just do it and get it over with. Then next time you have to do something similar it'll be easier as you've had practice and so on. You can't revolve the rest of your life around being worried about what people think. Doesn't sound much fun. If they get pissed you can just quote some Richard Dawkins to them |
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Through a very very rough life so far, I've learned one lesson that I can stand by without any hesitation. I just don't care what others think of me anymore. I had a gay phase, I told everyone, I was so apathetic that my family knew. When I ditched religion, I did it politely to my friends when I was 14. Here's the jist of it. You only live once. What you desire in life should not and cannot be suppressed. Not by family, organized religion, certain friends, you name it. Grow a pair and start living the life you intend on experiencing before it's gone. |
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i hate religious diatribes so much |
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CHURCH IS SHIT |
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Ging is right mate. Tolerance and forgiveness should rank pretty high in the belief system youre dealing with,surely? |
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Success is about your growth and learning as an individual. If you can't learn and grow in your situation at church, or if these people are holding you back and unwilling to accept you for who you are, then it's just time to leave. You don't need to "prove" yourself to them over and over by doing something you don't feel is right. Prove to yourself instead that you can achieve what it is that you actually want from life. They probably wont want to accept that you have to leave, they will probably judge and label you, maybe the likes of which you've never been labeled before. But just because they're mired in their way of thinking doesn't mean you should have to be. You have a different way of thinking, and if it leads to positive growth for you, then you need to encourage that. |
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beatiful stuff. theramintrees is wise. |
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Religion is a mental illness. |
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Wha's Jezus gonna do when Dagibit isn't around to fiddle with the church's copy of Windows Religious Movie Maker? |
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Haha! That man is a veritable protest ninja. |
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I think Christians and other religio's need to stop worrying about what orifice somone inserts their protrusion into - if it's consensual and legal, it's alreet. |
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drink piss |
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c'mon. don't worry about going to hell, it's ridiculous. if you were born in iran you'd be worried about leaving islam, if you were born 5000 years ago you'd be worried about what some tree sprit ot goat-dude thinks. your beliefs are based on contingent circumstances. i'd go with what uviol says and just sit down with your pastor for a chat, rather than make a big fuss. if anybody shuns you for not believing, then there were always a bigot in the first place. good luck with your new life. |
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ah ok. so you are just coming out as an agnostic. well then i think you should definitely go to your pastor or whomever and admit that you have some doubts and uncertainties that you need to confront. they aren't going to hold that against you, they'll be glad and probably even thankful you were honest and see it as an opportunity. will they see it as an opportunity to witness to you, well yea of course they will, but just because something is predictable doesn't make it bad. i think there is a certain religiosity that you are uncomfortable with, and that is mostly a good thing. for me, the whole point of the cross and the work of the Spirit is about getting away from ritual and regimen, doing things out of compulsion or guilt, and instead doing them because you want to, because you are given perspective and true understanding. the deeper you get in the OT, and the closer to the NT, the more and more God starts to reveal that all of the ceremonial laws and sacrifice and ritual was all just kind of setting the stage for something bigger. as for me, i've kinda had a revival in the past few months. i've been blooming where i've been planted so to speak, and been kicking some stuff around on the boards as i'm sure you've seen. it was around 2002 when i came to the Lord, and before that i was about as anti as anyone who's posted in this thread. i had some friends who were witnessing to me, and though i did not want to hear it at first, when it broke through it really broke through and i experienced true anointing, as it were. i kinda grew up too fast, though, and really slipped back for a few years. i was stoned every day, looking up porn often, the usual stuff i guess (although i never forgot about God.) this was until very recently where a series of things in my life had God bring me back to a place of devotion. i haven't started back to church again, myself. i kind of feel like i need to wait on church hopping again, and be clear of any one piece of paper with a doctrinal statement. |
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I wonder how many posters type out passionate replies in these religion based threads only to delete them? |
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did you type one out? i feel like you have more to say than you let on. |
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Yeah I did.Thats what made me wonder. |
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how about some songs then *taps knee in old man style* |
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That made me giggle J, thanks :) |
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Haha...Ive already got this one..always makes me smile. |
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:) thank god for alan watts. that voice just pulls you back down to earth doesn't it? |
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how about some more songs |
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You forgot to mention that the final one of these links isnt actually to a song. :) |
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you should have come out as a godless heathen after you found a new job. like homos in high school who stay closeted until graduation otherwise they'd just get a beatdown every day. you not thinking of college or whatever? |
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don't tell anyone yet. get a new job, move away, organize a new life for yourself, then maybe tell them. why let it hinder you? |
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yo. did you manage to watch that video i linked to? i honestly believe it could be very useful in providing you with some reassuring, rational and positive thoughts. i hope things work out for you and that you'll feel liberated when this is all over. |
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ask yourself where this fear comes from and why you are allowing it to take hold of your life. at one point or other you'll realize the fear is irrational and comes from within. if you learn to accept that you are causing fear and insecurity by predicting possible negative reactions of people you care about, it will be easier to take a step back and give yourself some breathing space. you have nothing to be ashamed of. in fact, you should be proud that you are willing to be true to yourself and make changes in your life you feel need to be made. if people aren't supportive of this, ask yourself if it would really be better to wear your faith mask. you don't owe these people anything. you won't be another person after declaring your views. if anything, people should be happy for you that you are honest and wish you the best of luck in seeking happiness elsewhere. this probably isn't going to be easy but the sooner you take the plunge, the more time you will have to come to terms with your new situation. you might also consider sending a PM to theramintrees on youtube. if he has the time i'm pretty sure he can give you some solid advice without trying to convert you to atheism, if such a thing is even possible. good luck! |
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you cannot be serious if you apologize this much. this is what the church has been teaching you, isn't it? that you should be sorry for everything, for all eternity. be sorry for being human, because you were born guilty and all you can do is bow to the almighty god and pray that your sins will be forgiven. you don't need to be sorry about anything. tell it like it is. this is your decision and this affects your life, not anyone else's. if you say sorry like this, you are punishing yourself for making an honest decision. Please don't smother yourself with guilt. free your mind. |
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i'm not at all an expert on the bible, but i recently read the Gospel of Matthew .. and jesus complains about people who conceive of religion as the dumb following of formal principles. what's important is that you love your neighbor as you love yourself. he also says that loving your neighbor as loving yourself is the Very Same Thing as praising the one and only god. ... so i think from a christian perspective you could argue that christianity has nothing to do with going to church or not going to church but with genuien love for others. ... so if somebody complains abotu your leaving church you could show them the gospel of matthew and show them that they act like the pharisees who killed jesus, who focus on superficial formal principles and forget *luv*. |
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i still think you should have a one to one talk with your pastor. after you send the email people are going to come and talk to you anyway, so spare yourself the drama. it's always better to make important announcements in person. |
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dude this sounds sinister, why dont you jus cut contact. or stand up in front of the congregation, say out loud your plans, and if u dont see the pastor, ask someone to pass the message on...? |
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I'm so on edge because I feel like I'm about to seal my fate, like more certainly than ever before. I don't think I'll ever be to relax unless i finally just let myself figure 'well i'll just do whatever I want for the short time before hell cuz i'm going there anyway' like any other called 'a fool' in the bible. Look, not necessarily. In 1 Corinthians 5 Paul is telling that church to expel a particular person who is involved in wilfull sin. The most important thing he says is this hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord. Sometimes we need to wander through the desert for a while, even sowing our oats as it were. Sometimes we need to gain perspective and figure things out. Sometimes we even need to look up a lot of porn and smoke a lot of herb, and do a lot of other things for all of this to come full circle. It is like a purging fire that will either refine or destroy you. Here is the thing about that, God knew before He ever laid the first foundation of the world whether you would love him, or walk away forever. When we start to really be enlightened to this we start to get a glimpse, just a glimpse, into the mysteries of grace, faith, and election apart from works. I am going to start sounding like a Calvinist a little now, but these are bibilical concepts. Not 2 months ago when i was hitting a 5 foot bong and typing kinzie kenner into a search window, God knew that today I would be delivering this message, actually getting tears in my eyes as I do, because the revelation of what I am typing is hitting me as I type it. When my friend, a few years ago, would wake up so drunk in the middle of the night that he would turn around and start pissing on his girlfriend because he didn't know how to find the bathroom, God knew that a few years later he would experience revival and be the devout believer he is today. That does not mean that choice and accountability |
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do not exist, because they do. You should be honest with yourself though, and if you really don't want to count the cost and lay down your life for Christ now, if you want to sow your oats and do things for you and how you want to do them, then that is what you should do, and you probably should not remain in the church. I hope that one day the Lord finds you back, but it will always be and always has been whatever it is meant to be. Good luck to you brother hope all goes well with your plan on sending all this to your church, your parents, etc. |
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