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I am kinda feel consionsness around me, becouse if there wasnt stuff around me I could not express myself as consious being. We kinda just reflections of world around us. |
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So you got the feeling yourself is "bursting out of your body to?" Just to be/and find your true "you" right? |
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"Yes" :D I see that my counsiosnes is formed not by me but by outside world it is looks obvious to me. For me consiosnes is not material, therefore canot be experienced by sensory equipment :) |
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there is an oval like window, on the left a transparent nose, on the right a transparent nose, and on the bottom part of an upper lip. i am conscious of air going in and out, and sometimes i feel a bit of a twitch or a jumpy nerve here or there. in my mind is constant thought, constant analysis. very often struggling or cognitive dissonance, but then other times peace or peace of mind. sometimes i feel the shekhinah, and other times i don't. sometimes my mind gives sway to other things that are not the shekhinah. sometimes they pretend to be, but other times they don't even bother. sometimes i do not feel much of anything spiritual and am just in the here and now. just me, four walls, trees outside, sitting on a couch. |
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pls define whre IS your counsionsness |
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it is physical and non-physical, innit. the brain is like a processor/receiver, but there is also an essence to you that is not seen. i would say it is still within you, as much as anything that is not material can be within something that is. i cannot comprehend the place that it is, since even my understanding of place is a bound by a physical understanding of location, size, distance, etc. The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. |
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I feel the same |
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great detailed description of you experiencing yourself in your body wich i recognize immediately. What therefore makes the opportunity to go a little bit deeper into the question. We, and others, have this same experiences thrue daily life but that doesnt give an answer to my question: how do you experience yourself in your mind or body? What makes you you in your mind or body? I hope I made myself clear now. |
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i get groggy when i'm hungry |
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you can't experience yourself, it's impossible. you cannot experience anything through thought, as thought contaminates everything it touches with the past. without thought, you wouldn't even come up with the concept. |
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What is 'experiencing yourself'? |
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I'm touching my arm. It's an experience of myself in a way. |
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just to keep the discussion going, could you think of any other experience other than in thought? you could also say: "you cannot experience anything other than through thought". |
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but thoughts is only complex combinations of neurons. I cant believe that we are just some kind of grey mass it is clearly we missing something. |
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'infinity meditation' ... i betcha some new ager leader clenched his fist and shook it at the heavens for not being first with such a name. |
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i can hear myself i think i'm a bit afraid |
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"thoughts is only complex combinations of neurons". this too could be considered as (just) another thought. |
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sometimes you can see smart things in sort of stupid things, if you search for answers. If you look for perfection you always find imperfections. |
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You bedtime thinkers know nothing |
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do you like this ! track? Kinda bad audio quality I gues it was much beter...It is just guess. |
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That video changed me. It's really funny, as both my lizards died as i was feeling my DNA awakening :( Do you think maybe the lizards died and entered me? |
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Yes they entered you. And they will be gone soon. Your DNA now is very similar to infinity symbol becaouse of two lizarts right and left liuzardz. |
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Have you ever been entered? |
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aargh, always this DNA crap. i get why they're all busy with the 12th planet and the annunaki (and they all are), but all this DNA babble just fell down from ... from heaven, i suppose. "sometimes you can see smart things in sort of stupid things, if you search for answers. If you look for perfection you always find imperfections." nightex, this is too cryptic for me. :D |
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mr russel, you make it sound so dirty. |
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I never encountered lizard who can enter me. You beter tell me why they died? |
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lizard flu i think. |
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Do you know Mr Lizard |
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"Forms" sometimes represent "forms" which can help you construct other "forms". It is known as interpretation of things happening around us, this is how from stupid forms or things can be extracted useful information. Do you ever seen pedant whos happy about things around him? That is answer why perfection cant be reached. Becouse perfectionalists are pedants :D |
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:D :D :D... cool. Once I have lizard... |
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You filled tv with lizardz :D |
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the soul : the body :: you : a car |
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the soul : the body : my cock : cygnus : |
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Is it in lizard heaven? |
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you misunderstand mr lizarddd. you may have had an "experience", but as soon as you label the experience using thought as an instrument the experience is contaminated and becomes false. |
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false? |
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lollllllllll |
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false, twisted, perverted - comprende?? |
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*sigh* Stop being a twat for a second and explain why the experience is falsed by thought! Still, that's what we would call experience. No? Are you speaking of memories? You're trying to talk about a form of experience that can't be experienced. Some new definition. I sense the BS fairy paid a visit or two lately. |
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Compare yourself to an animal. If an animal touches a hot plate it burns its paw, and memory alone tells it not to do that again - they do not have a field of knowledge (thought) to draw from and cannot analyse the "experience". The case is the same for you, except any similar "experience" a human has is immediately translated within the framework of the knowledge you possess. Yet that knowledge is wholly conditioned by your environment, it's not YOUR knowledge. The thoughts are not yours, they have been placed there - your brain works mechanically like a computer, storing all the information that is put in there from others from the day your are born. That very conditioning falsifies your knowledge and therefore perverts or falsifies your experience too. That's what I mean when I have mentioned in previous threads that thought is a contaminant - it immediately contaminates every physical and psychological experience. Without that experience you have no way of knowing who or what you are - like an animal has no way of knowing what it is, but don't pretend the knowledge you do have is complete, it can never be complete, it is always limited and always perverted in its own subtle way. You don't really experiencing anything for as long as thought exists it immediately brings about illusion, although obviously you think you are experiencing it and you name it as an experience for the sake of communication. |
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So now it's not false but incomplete? You stand awefully stern for someone so keen to point out we experience nothing. Our mind does its best to try and make sense of things. it's what you're doing, and you seem to have your convictions. That's great but when you come to discuss it with others, it's in a very unopen manner. |
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It's false AND incomplete. Anyway, I just figured out that you've only gone all crusty because earlier I called you a poof in another thread. Perhaps you don't understand my dry sense of humour. |
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"I just figured out that you've only gone all crusty because earlier I called you a poof " Haha not at all. I mean it's not the first time we chat like this. |
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It's incompletely false!! |
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What would you consider experience to be, without conceptualisation? You seem to imply that there are two kinds of experience: ideation misinterpreted as being 'experienced', and experience objectifed as thought. Wouldn't you agree that the idea of conditioning only holds sway as long as the notion of there being experience to be conceptualised? Without 'experience', as an idea, we can't experience having thoughts, either. Since the absence of conceptualisation is not conceivable, as that would imply conceptualising, I don't see how, conceptually, there could be two kinds of experience. Nor "one", either, for that matter, since 'experience' is conceivable, i.e. ideation. I mean, just type in the word in a web search engine and you'll probably get a couple of thousand search hits. I don't disagree with your conclusions, though. I just want to see where this discussion is going. |
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The idea of a self in your body..how do you experience you..I'm gonnn make myself more clear now: you can tell who you are by just physical aspects..like a fat tummy...or blond or black hear..the collour of your skin etc..but how do you see (experience) you without the physical aspects..and how do you know it's you? Where or what or how do you reckon 'you'? Thought is just a part of you imo, there's more then thought in you only..f.e. dreams or feelings. Maybe 'you' is indeed just a couple of neurons..but all these neuron connections together make 'you'..how do you reckon you from those connections? Etc..we are goig the right way in this topic but still I've got no answer that has satisfied me.. |
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If you put aside physical aspects of you, you only could be aware of nonphysical aspects of you. But you simply cant. We can only guess what is realy happening when we are aweare of ourselfs, when we are councious. Biologicaly what you experience at the moment you are councious is certain combinations responses of systems and automatic regulation systems, which all together combine feeling of experience of something. But we dont know for example how signals in our brain coded and how they can be interpreted. Neurology is wide science and there is much to discover. Maybe you feel mising parts of puzle which are not discovered yet. |
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Oke and then tell me now how you experience you with the physical aspects please. |
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The physical eye does not know what it's looking at. In other animals, the physical eye sees then memory brings about an instinctive reaction, which is purely mechanical. In humans, there is a longer delay. Thought goes one step further and translates what the physical eye sees then gives it some sort of meaning. It names this an "experience" and files it as knowledge. Yet everyone's thoughts and interpretations of what they see are different depending on a wide variety of conditioning - depending on what's been put in your 'computer'. Whatever thought sees is not the truth; not the absolute; limited by knowledge. The act of the physical eye seeing something is FACT, the interpretation FICTION. Now apply that to everything in your life and you will realise that everything you call an experience is fiction. |
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