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the video is related? You want to believe, you do, nothing is forcing you. I mean it's just about behaving well towards others, isn't it? |
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like you fear eternal damnation? |
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this woman is insane. snap the fuck out of it and stop being a pansy closet atheist. your fear is irrational and we are nothing but advanced monkeys. |
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she reads the bible for more than 30 seconds on youtube, she is definetly more insane than a "real christian" |
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People who believe in the bible are ignorant and or uninformed. |
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i believe in the bible. ive seen one with my own eyes |
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online bible |
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this video only had 2 stars |
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also she refers to god as a man, also who gives a fuck. there is more to life than we will ever know, but this isn't it. do what you want to do, don't hurt other people or animals, do something good for its own sake, be grateful for what you have. don't be greedy, don't be selfish. the thing that pisses me off about religion is when people do bad shit and seek forgiveness. everyone makes mistakes but, fuck, if you have the foresight to know its wrong don't do it. you can't have an infinite get out of jail free cards. accept responsibility for your actions. fucking religion, causes so much pain. makes me sad. |
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also these videos use comic sans ffs |
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I fucking love you Guybrush. |
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<3 |
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It's like when people accept the word "sorry," the fourth time being dicked over by the same person, for the same reason. |
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ITS COS I LOVE HIM!!!!!!!11ONE |
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The thing about religion is that it's a get out clause for those on their deathbed. "Oh, by the way, God: I may not have been Christian for 99% of my life, but I'm repenting right now. Heaven now please?" |
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You're right, but what difference does it make when you know god doesn't exist? Isn't that a bit like getting mad at a child for believing in the tooth fairy? |
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No, it isn't. Obviously the reality of the situation is more complicated than my analogy. I'm just bored. |
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A believer would usually at this point try and diminish what non believers have said here so far in this thread, and then retort with some fanciful imagery about their God. I believe in God, but i think that statement has a personal meaning to me and i think it means something different for everybody. If you see no value in believing in a God than you must not have any need for that sort of motivation for your brain to wrestle good from bad decisions. Most athiests are clear-headed and have a good sense of morals and equality. I also don't think being athiest just for the sake of being atheist as a lifestyle is really right either, because you're being weak minded about it. Dig deep and don't make an conclusions about anything. It's not like you can burn a belief in to your head, it's most likely to change. remember the days of childhood? |
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"Most athiests are clear-headed and have a good sense of morals and equality" pulseclock yes I agree with this Christianity has tried to hihack human beings natural sense of morality |
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just another day at XLReligionism god is a monkey! |
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i can quite easily make a conclusion about how incredibly irrational it would be to believe in any sort of god without there being a shred of evidence for it. having a 'feeling' that there could possibly be something outside of our known universe just isn't good enough and in my opinion pretty useless to speculate about as there are plenty of baffling and 'mysterious' things going on without any supernatural powers being held 'responsible'. if you're an agnostic about god (as a supernatural being or creator) then you may as well consider the possibility that unicorns and pink hippos live in a secret society in the earths core. It just doesn't lead anyone anywhere. here is a fantastic little animation that isn't necessarily related to this post |
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So you're saying the natural state should be faith and belief? It's wrong to call anyone weak minded for not believing an invisible man created a faulted Earth because he got complacent on the last day, and that we should all be sorry for ourselves because we were born as "sinners" and that you can only get out of it by subscribing to outdated scripture that doesn't much promote societal changes. I'm not going to try and change your beliefs because I quite frankly don't care, but don't attack anyone because they don't "believe." |
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you don't have a shred of evidence that god does not exist. in the way your video says you don't have arguments about there being a god and so you shouldn't argue about it, you don't have arguments about there not being a god and you shouldn't argue about it imo. atheists arguing about there not being a god are just as bad as theists arguing about there being a god, to me i'm not necessarily saying you're a total zealot atheist though. also the video is right in saying that instead of a god there could be anything, like aliens that created us and blew themselves up in the process the woman in the op is hysterical and pretty hateful. i didn't watch the whole thing. i liked how, while reading the bible, she went from hatespewing to kind of sedated calm. that's what the word of god does for ya. :-P |
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god is a concept. if you really 'dig deep' enough - or better still, throw it all away, it becomes clear that any person is a single cell in a body, which that cell cannot possibly perceive. that body is not god. nor does the body conform to the ramblings of a small cluster of cells. god is quite literally a figment of our imagination. |
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atheism isnt about refusing an objective god as a scientific problem, it's about refusing god as created by man. the idea of god was created by man, it was not created by perception, measurement.. so far it's a story, not a scientific hypothesis. it is possible to debate that theists dont have evidence of a god, because it was their theory to begin with, and they never brought proof. the burden of proof is not on the atheists shoulders. atheism is denying the existence of a human god, and if there is a creator god of sorts physically out there in the universe, it becomes a scientific problem, and should be treated like any other observable phenomena. |
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a·the·ist (th-st) n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods. |
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@cx. well for me there is no burden of proof. of course when my country goes of to war because their god tells it too, things would change. but generally i'm for live and let live. i get wound up by the anti-religion of so many internet forum goers. (irl i'm more wound up by religion) @rockenjohnny. that's dumb (imo) nihilistic reasoning. if you reason like that nothing matters. for instance you wouldn't appreciate the fact that you can think and reason or enjoy music, because your brain is just cells |
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nothing has any inherent purpose - it only matters because we say it does. you can call my 'reasoning' whatever you like, the way you and me look at things has been recyled over and over again. We can only argue a point based on the knowledge we have on hand. As it stands, human knowledge is limited to what it can perceive. An argument based on what you don't know will always be flawed. The whole god-argument, for or against, unravels because it is unreasonable. |
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well i choose not to believe in nihilism. maybe i was too quick to call it dumb, but a lot of times imo it is. (i'm not a nihilist because for instance i believe in art, reasoning, humans in general) |
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i wasnt attacking atheists. i was just saying being atheist just for the sake of being athiest is as dumb as being religious just because your parents were or something. i think believing in god can mean a lot of things. to me its just a place that i can go mentally that is somewhat a constant. but i think atheists are just really mentally competent people who dont need that sort of comfort. hell im already starting to not believe in god. but i know at the end of the day i like to see beauty in things. |
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i dont care too much for nihilism myself, or any other philosophical brand-name. you could say that 'i' inhabit this body in a culturally defined way, or that 'i' see the world in a way you can put a philosophical tag on - but really, 'i' do not exist in any other way than in a social sense. the body and its processes - including thought - can function without any social moulding or definition. the 'i', 'you', 'me', are only socially defined definitions. they are intangible and conceptual - neither this discrete body nor another depends on it. and here we are back at square one. as a society, we live in and create a world of ideas, of dualities, and fantasies. |
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maybe nihilism has too many negative connotations to be branding you with. it's just that i like to believe in more things. i shouldn't project that longing on you, that's a bit as bad as what i accused the theists and atheists off. however this devaluing of everything that you did in all your posts in this thread to me feels nihilist. life, people and what they create for me is sacred; in non-theist way. i like pulseclock and his posts. and rockenjohnny too <3 |
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you don't have a shred of evidence that god does not exist. like others have said, god (as a creator and supernatural being/entity) is a concept created by man. The idea that it warrants a respectful approach at all times and costs is ridiculous, let alone considering it as possibly true. i don't have arguments for there not being many things i don't believe in, like i said, unicorns and pink hippos for example. your reasoning is flawed as is explained in the video by qualiasoup. as for nihilism, i hope you aren't under the impression that atheism is related to it in any way. you seem to have the idea that having a rational, logical outlook on things implies that one cant be able to appreciate or value things in life. i was baptized and raised catholic and i often wonder about how the universe came into existence but i'm not going to fill in the gaps that science hasn't filled yet by saying 'so god must (or may) have done it'. Also, my being an atheist doesn't mean i can't be a spiritual person. I won't deny the idea of, for instance, the 'god within ourselves' if that would translate to 'the enlightened mind' in the buddhist philosophy. I wonder why you seem so offended by all this, knowing you're into yoga which, as far as i know, has nothing to do with theism either. Nature, Art, music, writing, social interaction etc can all be miraculously beautiful without limiting yourself to find explanations for them that science can't find, and when science does explain some of the 'miracles' of life, it doesn't make them less valuable or fascinating in any way. |
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we largely agree. i too am an atheist but spiritual in my own way as well. but i do think you're too aggressive towards religion. i think you indeed have to be respectful towards religion, because it means something to believers. most believers take only good things from it as well. i think the video by QualiaSoup is great. mainly i take from it that religious people shouldn't preach. (to which i add atheists shouldn't either. maybe i don't even mean atheists but anti-religion-preachers) i do not equate atheism to nihilism. i do disagree with nihilism though. |
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The idea that it warrants a respectful approach at all times and costs is ridiculous, let alone considering it as possibly true. there's enough situations where you don't have to be respectful indeed. but whether religion is right doesn't really matter in this |
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