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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2009-09-22 09:25 [#02328755]
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People like Chomsky believe conspiracy theories because it helps them to make sense of the world and certain events that are normally beyond their grasp or sense of reason. Their fictional evil world is more comforting than the real evil we live in. He also likes to quote all these obscure magazines, interviews and papers. This is how you simulate science or the scientific method. There is no hole in his theory, he just can't stand that many things are just coincidence.
He is an idiot
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J198
from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2009-09-22 09:29 [#02328757]
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atwood
from The Library (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-22 09:34 [#02328758]
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I think that as a critical thinker this often means he has to play devils advocate.I'm not saying I agree with everything he says,just that sometimes he opens the floor for debate where previously it may have been closed.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2009-09-22 09:38 [#02328760]
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"I see no anti-Semitic implications in denial of the existence of gas chambers or even denial of the Holocaust" Noam Chomsky.
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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-22 09:44 [#02328764]
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replace chomsky with alex jones and your post might make sense. chomsky doesn't espouse conspiracy theories - in fact he distances himself from them on every opportunity. And the comfort rational of conspiracy theorists is as old as the hills- can't you troll better?
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kaara
on 2009-09-22 09:50 [#02328769]
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Nom Nom Chompsky
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atwood
from The Library (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-22 09:56 [#02328772]
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Like I said,I dont agree with everything he says,and I certainly do not agree with that statement.However I am interested as to the origin and context of that particular quote,as it reads to me like a line from a holocaust revisionist manifesto.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2009-09-22 10:04 [#02328775]
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He ain't a conspiracy theorist, but he is a conspirationist.
His Impact on formulation of mass apealing ideologies and conspiracy theories is largely underestimated. Chomsky's appeal is directed to people susceptibility to conspiracy theories
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2009-09-22 10:05 [#02328777]
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Wikipedia.
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atwood
from The Library (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-22 10:26 [#02328781]
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Okay thankyou.Reading it now.
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atwood
from The Library (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-22 10:50 [#02328785]
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I cant argue that quote seems like an anti-semetic statement.Although Chomsky is Jewish,that particular comment/quote seems to be something a little more spiteful than thoughtless rhetoric.However,this whole subject seems to be never ending,with Chomsky,as always,trying to debate the undebatable.I stand by my original comment,I believe Chomsky to be an important figure in our culture and a particularly brilliant mind.He's far from being an idiot really isnt he?
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2009-09-22 11:09 [#02328789]
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Its called structural anti-semitism. Despite Chomsky being jewish, of course he can be an anti-semite as well.
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atwood
from The Library (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-22 11:24 [#02328793]
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I know about about structural anti-semitism from Nicholas Donin through to the Bolsheviks using the Jewish Bund.But as Im not Jewish I can hardly argue the case for or against Chomskys statement which appears to me to be an unfathomable attitude towards the Jewry and the holocaust..I feel that it's like me telling a black guy not to use the N word.
Or am I looking at this far too simplistically?
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2009-09-22 11:45 [#02328795]
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Well Nigger is still a degenaratory term even when it is used by blacks. Even if it is used in a 'friendly' manner between black people it still has a racist connotation
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2009-09-22 11:47 [#02328797]
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Monoid where can I hear some of your music
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RussellDust
on 2009-09-22 11:47 [#02328798]
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Chomsky is not a conspiratist. He bases all his saying on historical facts. Some of his fans on the other hand, can be pure twats.
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RussellDust
on 2009-09-22 11:48 [#02328799]
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'historical facts'
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b6662966
from ? on 2009-09-22 11:55 [#02328803]
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Ive never known a Jew, but I've heard that Jewish people are greedy and evil.
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atwood
from The Library (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-22 12:03 [#02328806]
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*hangs head*
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RussellDust
on 2009-09-22 12:07 [#02328807]
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*saves atwood*
Thank you thank you
*recieves flowers and bows*
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atwood
from The Library (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-22 12:11 [#02328811]
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Russell Dust,youre my hero!
*swoons.exits-stage left.*
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RussellDust
on 2009-09-22 12:13 [#02328814]
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Never found the occasion (as i think i ramble a bit too much about bloody cigars). But wanted to mention the other day i went to see a lady from cuba do a demonstration. She rolled many and gave me one. I was like a child.
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atwood
from The Library (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-22 12:24 [#02328817]
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Wow. :) Your enthusiasm for cigars never ceases to amaze me.
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atwood
from The Library (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-22 12:27 [#02328818]
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By the way,monoid,sorry for unraveling your thread man.
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RussellDust
on 2009-09-22 12:29 [#02328819]
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And it's growing! It's such a comfort, a pleasure to pass time with a cigar. The smoke, the relaxed body, the nice thoughts wandering.
Alert! Alert! Chas and Dave have split. I should have a Big Train link for you but can't seem to find it on youtube and such.
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atwood
from The Library (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-22 12:40 [#02328821]
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They was a couple of bowlers anyhow,know what I mean? :D
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RussellDust
on 2009-09-22 12:46 [#02328822]
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I wish i could find the big train sketch. I'm amazed it didn't instantly turn up on youtube. Not that i'm searching like a madman.
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Guybrush
from the white room on 2009-09-22 12:47 [#02328823]
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there is something secret in this thread...
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2009-09-22 12:48 [#02328824]
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I have some unfinished tracks on my PSP
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atwood
from The Library (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-22 13:03 [#02328826]
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I remember my Dad taking us all to a pub down the old kent road after some carnival somewhere.We sat on the wall with one bottle of pepsi and five straws,and from the inside of the snug wafted the smell of stout and the dulcet tones of old ladies singing 'my dear old dutch'.
Is it any wonder Ive avoided music for years?
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2009-09-22 13:45 [#02328829]
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Just checking
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atwood
from The Library (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-22 13:56 [#02328830]
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I can't find it!
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christ deburger
from helmans pr0vince (Afghanistan) on 2009-09-23 16:29 [#02329178]
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chomsky is like house music a finger up the arse
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2009-09-23 17:00 [#02329188]
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LAZY_TITLE
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atwood
from The Library (United Kingdom) on 2009-09-23 17:01 [#02329189]
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watched it all the way through. thanks.
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2009-09-23 17:32 [#02329219]
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oh that's ok
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2009-12-10 18:29 [#02350297]
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Monoid you don't even know what you're talking about. Why don't you rant about a point you can factually explain.
You're an idiot.
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Tractern
from Brighton (United Kingdom) on 2009-12-10 18:36 [#02350298]
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Can you factually explain this?
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2009-12-10 18:42 [#02350299]
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He's not Jewish either, It says on Wikipedia that his parents were Jewish, but people are not born religiously devout. Meaning even though people are born into jewish families does not dictate that the child will follow that religion, and if you think otherwise you're purist and probably a racist too.
He's stated in an interview that "I am a child of the Enlightenment. I think irrational belief is a dangerous phenomenon, and I try to consciously avoid irrational belief. "
given the fact that intellectuals of the past (like Marx) have prescribed to anti-semitic conclusions due to lack of knowledge on the subject, it's horrible to see that anti-semitism is still around.
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2009-12-10 18:45 [#02350300]
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It's not like people have to be PRO-semitism.
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