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In Sept I will be going back to uni to begin my second year. I have been thinking about it and I reckon I will owe 22k when I have finished my 3 year course. Is there really any point in paying so much to get a degree to get a good job? Surely it's fucking craziness... :( |
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And people in most of Euurope pay very little to go to uni. Dresden- £160 per term. Romania - £20 per term. Why the fucking hell is it so ridiculously expensive in UK? |
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DO IT! |
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i would hazard a guess that the educational systems in Dresden and Romania aren't anywhere near what they are like here in the UK. but considering that the UK is pretty bad, it just goes to show what it might be like in those other countries. |
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huh? Do you mean continue with university? If so, please explain why. And what is your pexerience of uni? Do you think they have a good system here in UK? What is it like in Norway? |
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So everything's shit...? :( |
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Actually no, you're saying that UK education is good compared to others, so, in actual fact :) That makes me feel a bit better about the whole thing, thanks. |
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the followup is a compulsion within an addiction - metallicadude was maybe kind of right about this, ill remember |
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cuz thatcher |
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if the purpose of uni is finding a job let me suggest to buy your degree in Romania |
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i never said anythign like that. i dont even know what those words mean |
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The thing is with giving up uni,it doesnt look good on any CV from an employers point of view.Dont you feel that it would be a waste of all your hard work thus far?I know its a hell of a lot of money to owe,but at least you'd have a better chance of doing what you want to do-a career rather than just a job. Its a difficult decision for you to make...and youre a better person than me just having the balls to question where you want to go with it.Good luck. |
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Sensible, clear, humble advice. Thanks very kindly, sir. ^^ |
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jen b said this you are jen b |
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That's the thing, though- people say that a degree is essential to get a "good" job, but they also say there are no jobs for students. I have been working over the Summer hols though, so I have work experience, too. I guess I should be alright, I guess. Fortunately for me though, I want to be a teacher, so it is different to most jobs. Teachers are always needed. It is also kinda shit-economy-proof. :) I just see my futture as being kinda awry as a post-grad. Anyone know anything about post-grad foundation-type Art courses? Like the foundation oneyou would take at college, but at uni. I wanna do one of them when I have finished at uni, to prolongue my education. |
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Mm? |
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Mna, why do we have to bring her into this thread...? |
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i think you make the jen b pretending to be me so you are trying to get me banned for dupe account!! but it is really you who will be banned!!!!! |
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*man |
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The initial loan debt is bad enough, but then the interest comes in and you're in a never-ending debt situation with them. Mine isn't too bad (about 11k in total) and because I work for myself and haven't filed my tax return yet, I haven't actually started paying any back yet... but I know that the longer I leave it, the more it is just going to rack up. And yes, the UK university system is a fucking rip off. I kind of regret going in a way, but I also realise that I learned a lot in the 3 years and it probably did help me get to where I am now. On the other hand, I also realise I probably could have reached this level on my own too. I guess it depends what you're studying really. If you're doing a maths/science based subject, then just stick with it. The degree is important, especially in the current climate. For arts based subjects, then the choice is harder... it's not much fun getting shitloads of debt, but it's also very difficult finding a job at the moment and it may actually be beneficial to stay in education until the job climate stablises again. Just know that if you are doing an arts-related degree that the actual paper is 100% useless and ALL that matters is a good portfolio and a friendly/confident attitude come the interview. You probably know this already though. Good luck with whatever you decide... |
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yes |
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Yes, many universities and colleges do foundation degrees in most art related subjects prior to year 1 of the actual degree. A few did them on my course and some said they were very helpful, whereas others concluded they were a waste of time. Don't prolong your time in education man. All you're doing is giving up your life for another year and racking up more debt. MAKE MONEY NOW :) |
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Also, you do your PGCE for a year after you graduate if you want to become a teacher. If you're serious about staying in education after you get your degree, then this is what you need to do rather than some shitty foundation course in a subject you don't need. |
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dude i dunt want no one banned. jen b was cool man chillouts |
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dude brisk with art, it depends on the school. if you have BFA in your preferred skill of artistic interest, and you than apply for a gallery gig or a commerical job, then a good uni nami behind your belt canbonly help. you just have to be motivated in whatever you do. |
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bill gates flunked university |
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+ steve jobs |
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But he could afford to pay off his uni debts. :/ |
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both of em SUCK!!!! |
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dude change your av. can i make you one |
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i really should shouldnt i |
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ETALLICADUDE!!!!! |
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Ampi can you make me a good one? So i can feel good about logging in. My current one makes me feel like the death of xlt. |
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It depends on what kind of career you want. With my choice of career, its crucial to have a degree. Even just at an assistant level, you earn about 8grand more a year with a degree, than doing something related without a degree. Although it is a rip off, the education is much better than in a lot of countries, and in my case it's definitely worth it and the loan kind of pays itself off with the huge increase in salary |
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its ace |
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if anything, going to uni is probably worth it for the experience. meeting new people and probably living a different life. it's basically another few years to experience life as full of surprises, twists and turns. Once you start a part time or full time job to stay alive, you start the process of dying slowly and willingly, with only memories from the early days to look back on. Also, at this point you will be doing not much else but wasting money on things you don't need to compensate the neverending feeling of emptiness, and paying bill after bill until you wonder how all these institutions manage to rob you so easily when you're still alive. A uni loan won't really make much of a difference. |
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tbh i dont have time rite now. and it would be real sucky |
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i see how it is |
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so true |
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I was gonna take maybe 1 year off to travel, but then I think I would get straight into the PGCE after what you've just said. Thanks for this well-thought out advice that clearly comes from personal experience. Muchly appreciated, man. :) |
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I have a friend who is going to start to study Art this year at Norwich. I'll tell him what you said. Thanks for the advice. :) |
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I want to become a teacher, so I think it will be essential for me to have a degree, as you said. Thanks for your thoughts! :) |
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Yeah, I 100% see where you're coming from. But still; did you go to uni? |
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yea do it. if you pretty much plan on finishing it that is |
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f'n firefox |
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i went to a college type thing where i was supposed to learn how to translate from english to french etc. lasted 3 months. then on to art school where i lasted 2 years. i'm definitely lacking mental powers but i like to say 'the system ain't right for me'. no real regrets though. |
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K, that's cool. What you said has a little more substance now then, to me. But even if you hadn't been to uni/college, it wouldn't matter. I've been thinking about what you have said (highlighted by me watching Amelie tonight :)) and it is very important to just enjoy life. To remember to have fun, as if you're not having fun then all the work and sacrifice one makes are wasted. I feel good tonight partly thanks to what you said. I feel kinda like a new person. And I felt like this before starting to watch Amelie, though it did help a little. Cheers! ^^ |
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Um, k. :) |
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Stick with it. It's sucks, but when youre making shit loads of money it won't. It's PAPER and SOCIAL STATUS. I've met so many people who didn't go to school who should be making tons of cash because they are very smart. Ialso know a ton of people who know little more then the books they were forced to study, and these people make TONS of money. It's not fair, but this system is designed to reward people who play that game. Intellectual inbreeding, social parasites, the obedient servant class, etc etc etc at least you will have a good pay cheque to put towards things you want to do. |
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i'm glad you didn't interpret what i said as overly negative. the best advice is probably 'do whatever you feel is right for you' but that's usuailly easier said than done. amelie is a brilliant film :) |
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