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So I have an online pal who's into conspiracy theories. The latest fad is the swine flu wipeout of 2009-2012.. I'm not sure where to begin really so much can be said. Every day I'm being told their crazy ideas about politicians and government agencies, and I try to reason with them but am faced with the words 'close minded' instead. It seems like no conspiracy is too vast. They believe anything they hear, they call it scientific research, they then tell me I have to make my own research and realize for myself. I try to tell them that reading conspiracy sites is not 'research' it's just being fed propaganda from crazy people. The more I hear about it, the more I automatically reject any conspiracy they come up with. It's come to the point that I don't even bother considering it, I just automatically deny it. Their stories are vast, full of speculations, plot holes, inconsistencies, flawed reasoning, lack of perspective... The list goes on.. Another problem is that I have caught people in their own lies, when something doesn't happen as they predicted, but then they usually say that it was just to tease us and the REAL tragedies are coming next year cuz it was just the calm before the storm. So then we have to wait another year, and then it's the same thing over again. I am so ultimately shocked by this, I don't know where to begin to debate it. |
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good good |
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things i think that are quite plausible but don't have hard evidence for: -h1n1 virus engineered and spread deliberately (like aids) -us gvt allowed 9/11 to happen. towers did not collapse from fire. i'll be the first one to admit to being heavily influenced (others might say brainwashed) by the zeitgeist and similar stuff. we're all gonna die. |
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you can see the blue sky behind the chemtrails. everything is just fine. |
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:) |
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"we're all gonna die" BOLLOCKS! |
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Well, typical theories are faked moon landing, engineered h1n1, explosives in wtc towers, but it goes really beyond all that. it's the general mindset i can't stand. j198: how are any of those plausible? fleetmouse i checked the forum, it seems cool. i remember the person 'the central scrutinizer' from somewhere but no idea where it was.. do you know if he is elsewhere? |
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my government microchip hasnt malfunctioned yet so im still able to buy goods |
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There's probably lots of people bumping around with that name. It's a character on a Frank Zappa album. |
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ah of course.. |
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i downloaded an adblock so i can enable/disable ads at wish |
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i think the freemasons (of which joyrex is a member) have secretly taken over xltronic and they are the reason for the bear, and the wolf man before that |
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i'm not too glad about how, at least here in france, the media are more than happy to equate the radical left with conspiracy theorists and of course antisemites and the far-right so fuck out to conspiracy theories |
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metallicadude did 911 (posts) |
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gg |
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oh - your - god |
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In itself, the concept of a "conspiracy" is not so controversial. There are plenty of mundane examples of conspiracy. But I agree, at some point we do need to draw a line with tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists. I guess the problem comes in deciding where to draw that line. Aside from unjustified leaps of reasoning, and false oppositions, it does seem to come down to a "mentality" type thing. In my opinion, the mentality often boils down to two assumptions: 1) that a group of powerful people have a super-natural ability to control events on this planet, and 2) that the aim of this powerful group of people is by definition bad or evil. Although it is certainly true that a powerful group of people exist, it seems to me that the first assumption overstates their ability to "control" things, whereas the second assumption seems to reflect an externalized form of self-hatred, i.e., rationalize the world in such a way that it justified how one feels about oneself. So, the underlying "mentality" may simply reflect a way for disenchanted people to make sense of the world and their place in it? |
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yeah good point. I think that's my main gripe with this. They put way too much responsibility and power into the hands of the people on top. The world and its social structures are chaotic, fragmented etc.. Just look at the political status of the USA.. There are so many people like republicans and democrats literally fighting about how things should be done. And it's completely arbitrary which of these people actually have power. The idea that everything is controlled and manipulated seems unrealistic the way things are.. |
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yes i always thought that. even in places like china where control is quite ruthless, things leak. in the us for example there is just too much freedom of communication to keep anything secret in the government. also this bond villain idea of world control; i dont think theres many ppl that want that, because in a funny kind of way its a waste of time. what im saying is that men that are bent on control want power, and power over everything is less power over the things that matter. making money/manipulating society is a whole lot easier than staging 911, do they even need to bother? where the real power fuckers work is in religion ect. if you liked being the puppet master would you choose politics or jonestown? if youre into power, government dosnt really cut it the same way as having an ultra secret mass suicide cult < my advice |
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Yeah that's a good point, never thought about it like that.. But that makes me think. These conspiracy theorists are always talking about the guys on top wanting to kill millions of people right. But why would they do that? If I had power over society wouldn't I want to keep as many workerbees as possible, and then live in the luxuries of their work? What is money worth if they are killing off all of the planet? Or power for that sake. I don't understand the motive they would have for killing off millions with swine flu (the latest fad) |
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no, they want to scare people into a massive vaccination campaign which they will use to implant chips in people |
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EXACTLY. motive is the bit these guys always simplify. if you were on top, would you even bother stringing together complex shit to try and shape the world, or would you just maximise opportunities/weakness within society? would you need to blow up the twin towers (spending loads of time, money, human resources) or just let the grumpy terrorist do it for you? results are the same but with less energy spent. i hate those truther cock ends. they're all wide eyed, caffeine hyped 30 yo teenagers with control complexes of there own. the ones that want to save the world are the most dangerous. |
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i think they're nice people when they're not libertarians |
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9/11 was staged by the government, man never landed on the moon, and the new flu vaccine shots will kill you. that is all. |
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There's extreme conspiracy theorists, then people who are serial debunkers who like to piss on people's paranormal parade. I think what we need to remember is that there's always a little truth in both sides? |
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It's funny though. The vaccine is an opportunity to give the same thing to literally every person in the world, and with their consent. That is a dangerous thing, and you have to question the convenience of it all considering the governemnts of the world seem to want to be able to ID us all (undeniable as been in the mainstream news for years) |
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The main multinational families just want their offspring to survive and force us worker bees to mine materials and create designs for components of eventual space ships to get them away before yellow stone park erupts and world war 3 starts . i dreamt it all; and i was a a bee that hung onto the space ship as it flew away ...my head exploded in space all over their wind screen and they crashed into venus. (they didn't have windscreen wipers, y see) |
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Make it into a film. |
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I need to see concrete evidence to give creed to anything, conspiracy or not. Anyone who builds an entire believe system based on nothing more than coincidence and loose conjecture is a moron. |
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Really! What concrete evidence do you have that gravity will continue to work tomorrow, enabling you to walk to work without floating off into the sky? |
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concrete evidence and walk to work seemed like it needed a good joke involving a sidewalk, but i couldn't come up with anything sorry. |
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None whatsoever. However assuming gravity will continue to work tomorrow and the day after is kind of different than theorizing that aids was synthesized in a lab to kill gay men and black people. |
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Conspiracies do exist. "Levy-Izhak Rosenbaum, 58, of Brooklyn, NY, charged with conspiracy to transport human organs" WTF!!! |
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bumping off millions could be a way of trying to reduce a greatly over-populated world. surely it would be easier and quicker with some shower blocks and zyclone b etc |
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I've always asked myself what the Ickean lizards are doing when they're not eating humans and other nasty things. What's their day like? Do they have a culture? Surely at least some of the lizards must've taken some time to consider how constructive and meaningful their lives really are (as they're currently living it). Is it worth all this trouble? What do I really want? Eating people is fine and all, disguising ourselves as the higher-ups of men, and corrupting their planet does give some sense of satisfaction. All those light years travelled, all that technology invented ... for what? Isn't it all just for boredom's sake? If all of this is such a big deal, such a great, great secret, then how the hell are we able to talk about it, read it about - at all? Isn't it the supreme definition of a non-secret (the fact that we know about it)? |
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it's the fact that you can talk about it that makes something unreal losing credibility |
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welcome to planet earth |
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Isn't that Brian Eno? ;) |
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oh shit i've made myself sick XD |
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