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do you guys know some decent online resources for learning the theory? i need some step by step basic stuff, but also more advanced things... scale modulation et all. well basically the complete book. |
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get some information online about the basic fundamentals of theory, then there's probably a lot of various lessons or explainations on youtube |
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oh you ARE looking for online resources, i used to frequent a site, don't know if it's what you're looking for, but it was very helpful for me when i was learning how to play guitar |
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to be more specific: i want to learn how to build cadences, work with tension/release... how does a song / musical piece work, in theory, formula wise. how to use scales and their modes, what chords can i use and what chords can i use instead that are from another scale, these things. dry stuff, nicely explained. there have to be websites doing this, but the stuff i've googled looks quite repelling :| |
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you have to have it in you. you should be able to understand this from your own appreciation of music. seems like the best way to develope your own sound |
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Well, for a general wide-encompassing knowledge on the theory of music and it's components i would say to talk to a trained musician that is well versed. I'm sure there's an online resource somewhere though, you jsut have to keep looking, but yeah i don't know any. Good luck |
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thanks anyway! ampi: the software i'm writing can't understand this from its appreciation of music though. i want to code the stuff. hardcode harmonic and compositional rules. then fuck everything up hard with its dualcore brain. |
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how about musictheory.net |
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take a proper course, there are schools for music pretty much everywhere. internet learning can't replace it. |
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k i see now |
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oh okay that looks fine on closer look... the homepage appeared to be from '97 so i got scared first. |
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Maybe not what your looking for, But interesting all the same. www.schillingersystem.com |
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hey thanks! might be very useful later on. *bookmarked* |
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I'd highly suggest going to your nearest university bookstore and getting the main text for each level...starting with level 1 of course. I personally completed 2 years of colllege level music theory and the books were set up in a very gradual manner. It's like learning math, you must learn everything correctly in order to move on, otherwise you won't know how to or understand what's going on in the future. These books also allow you to go at your own pace. Since YOU will be the teacher! I also recommend getting beginner aural skills books. These usually come with cds now. Aural skills will allow you to perceive music in a different way when listening to it. It will also allow you to actually practice music while listening to other peoples music! Have fun and take it slow! |
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it seems that you're after some cool beans! |
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i agree. i can't really talk because i failed my class and i didn't learn music theory on my own either, or i didn't get very far. it's just so boring. but it's one of those thing you can learn on your own imo, prolly because it's just theory (not practice) |
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hepp, sounds like good advice. in the past when it came to theory i always wanted to move on too quick, then felt overwhelmed... also there was no real goal, i just wanted to play bass like teh Pusha but obviously got frustrated. Now there's a wholly different approach and it's going to kick ass! so what i want to build is a set of modular, autonomous apps which work within a mix of two ecosystems: one of classic music theory, harmonically and rhythm-wise, the other a visible physical one (i.e. (simplified) software simulation of physics and maybe real world object manipulation). The output has to be both visually and musically appealing, but most importantly merged into one process rather than making visuals for some music or making a soundtrack to some animation. also, creating dynamical on-screen lead-sheets for pro-level musicians who then improvise together with the computer(s), a bit like in Tetris where you get that preview of the next block... only with chords etc. i'm maybe trying to fly into the sun with this... but simple step-by-step work gets things done :D the next thing is starting to implement musical rules, and the awesomeness in programming is that one set of data always kicks off new ideas, for the visual parts for example... so i'll keep you guys updated with what happens. sorry for blogpost |
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my last attempt is learning it through learning to play the classical classical stuff on piano, beethoven, bach etc. |
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Do you want to learn music becouse you intrested or just becouse you want to create better music or...? Electronic music is more complicated then instrumental music, becouse it consists not only of instruments, but of complex sound synthesis. Being good piano player, doesnt meen that you could experimentaly produce good sounds, I believe sound synthesis is art too. So you firs must decide what you want from music theory, what is result of your learning. I just wanted to say that knowing your objectives is very important. |
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yeah actually i want to automate the writing process and be able to focus on the fun stuff, the humour, the visual aesthetics and tonal qualities i.e. sound design, and contrasting machine music with human motion/instrument play. Rather than creating better music, i want to create a true shareable room filling synaesthetic experience, something that makes Gantz Graf look quite boring. You're staring into the visual interface of a probably highly overpowered computer right now. There is so much unused potential in this machine. It's sitting there, almost idle, waiting to crunch numbers so fast that it's creepy. And we're here turning knobs on stupid arpeggiators... handling audio wave forms in primitive tape recorder ways... |
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You should remember that autechre and many other of your favorite electronic artists are not musicians, they are sound engineers/programmers if you want to get into music theory and composition then you are entering a different angle to electronic music. for example listen to BT , you can tell he is a real musician, where as aphex twin is not, he is not a classically trained musician, he probably taught himself or had some lessons when he was younger, but never took it to an academic level. However he can produce some mind blowing music because he is original and innovative. So being trained musically isn't necessarily going to make you better than current electronic writers, because you need to have that creative talent in the first place. My taiwanese friend is a professional cellist, trained in music from the age of 8 she plays in an orchestra, but get her to write her own music she is useless, she can't really play much without being told what to do. |
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Dave Stewart (from Eurithmics fame) has written a couple of excellent music theory books. the first one was called "Introducing the Dots" but was later renamed something else they're actually a very entertaining read if you can track them down |
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see if this can ispire you |
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use the force |
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I just wanted to say that knowing your objectives is very important. in the moment you decide you know your objectives they become old. |
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fact is that you must know where you going, what is result of all job. Changing your objective from zero cant be called adaptation, its lack of motivation. You can adapt objectives, to suit certain situation. I meen it cant change completly, if your motivation was good. |
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good point i have a question though whats the difference between zero and infinite motivation |
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yo i've done almost nothing in regards of learning the theory as of yet... but it's already a lot of fun letting Processing compute rhythms and harmonies on the fly, a gazillon more fun than clicking around in some piano roll. here's some first steps thingie: it sounds a bit shit but anyway... |
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i like it |
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there's some basic theory stuff on www.musictheory.net but if that's too easy for you, it's got a really great ear trainer. it plays intervals and/or chords, then you guess it, and it keeps statistics and everythign. pretty sweet site. |
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difference is infinity :D nice track Terence Hill deep study |
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tricky bastard :D |
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thanks guys! i'm a bit exhausted from building the actual sequencer... but now it does... stuff... :| |
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perfect timing, last night i finallly held a big pair of em on my hands |
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I don't know any theory at all (although I know what notes are what on the keyboard :P). But I have a feeling if I knew all the rules and deep knowledge of theory, I would much easier be able to map out the melodies and chord progressions I wanted. But then again, I am able to do that now, it just takes a lot of work and experimentation. I always hear the next few chords in my head, and I always know when I've made the right chord progression, so I don't /need/ theory to make the music I want. |
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btw random thought think about the people who first formed music theory.. and how it evolved over time.. all of the principles of theory first arose in people, and then was written down. not vice versa. everything we know about theory was invented by people who were unaware of the theory.. |
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I do like university in like music and stuff and I still just like mash the keys and like bang the pots and stuff. |
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good thinking |
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music theory teaches us to play music which is pleasant to human ear. This theory dont explain how humans understand which sound is pleasant and which sound is not, psychoacoustics does that. So basicly what we learning is a set of abstract instructions, methods how to organize sounds that they would sound good. From this perspective I find music theory evolution boring. |
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didn't the theories of music from all over the world reflect different weathers? the weather has changed a lot in the last years |
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the traditional music theory books become boring just reading a few lines if you don't know the past the only way to know the future is to build your own past methinks |
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I meen music theory evolution is sometimes boring, not music theory. What is methinks? Yes sometimes its boring. I find intresting to learn stuff in historical context. |
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is an early prototype of the UI. this is a view of the lowest layer of array-based midi manipulation, where note-ons/note-offs are logically put in place, split across channels, pitch is assigned etc, the horizontal increments are 10ms ... press 'a' on your keyboard to step through arrays, that is all it does now. Values are hardcoded for testing. on my laptop when i press 's' it sends its 4 arrays to the actual sequencer via OSC, and the sequencer steps through the increments. now back to debugging. |
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of automation curves. move mouse left/right, that's all for now. |
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i like that |
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