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I dunno about this, an OS needs applications and it needs to provide all the other ways you can use a computer, not just the web. Maybe it has a future in kiosk environments though.. |
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the google model is a slippery slope hosting all things online, on other people's computers you won't be able to control things all games, music etc will be hosted on other computers if they dont like what you have they can delete it in the end it will be illegal to own your own computer you will just have to buy an access device to access legal computers controlled by government then they scare people into censorship by claiming censor child porn then they censor regular porn then they censor anything they dont like google sucks |
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but it's the future no doubt. just cause you and me and our moms & aunts think we need to control things, need optical disk drives, need a power button, a local OS... 12 yr old kids don't need this crap and they certainly won't need it in 10 years. and we'll be the grumpy oldfags going "uuu uuu kids nowadays, don't know what privacy is". getting rid of having to install shit on "your local machine" is a liberation actually. what are these other ways you can use a computer, besides web? everything that has to do with making or showing anything for somebody else is essentially more effective over web. Why spend any amount of time exporting, renaming, copying, mailing, packing, unpacking.... when you think music software, it's really oldskool actually. needs more networking. will the google OS deliver? who knows, maybe not. But it's the way things are going. check out , it's something where actually information is available... and so far i'm way more impressed with this than with the Chrome OS. kthx! |
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cwnt, scary thought Oo terence, i value my privacy and i like to run my own stuff. i make music, i edit photos, i play illegal mp3s and movies, i view porn, all these things i dont want on a remote server. i want my own environment that only i have access to, that only i control. if google chrome os wants to be competitive it will need to provide software that will enable me to do all this equally or better than windows and linux. it doesnt sound like they have that in the pipeline, so the os seems worthless. you only need a browser for the web, not an operating system. |
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I think it's safe to say that this will be riddled with back doors more so then M$. Google seems to have stronger ties with government then m$,mac,novell, etc these days. I saw this yesterday and shivered. Doors song "The end" sprung up to mind ... |
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a middle way between cwnt and Terence. still i'm having a hard time understading why the people here confuse google with the internet network. basically the latter it's a big container of memories, if you know what i mean. one day i would like to sort out my own operating system in order to think at something and being able to shape waves the closest way and shortest time possible. during my journeys i came to the clonclusion that the internet is pitiful and powerful tool, a prolongation of your brain with no revolutionary news, with the same unwanted morals n blocks, that time to time people succeed to hijack, illegally. |
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What about people with slow connection? Not everyone has fiber. This will be an OS just so you can send your photos to picasa, read your gmail and browse on chrome. Also Google has been spamming my IRL mail box. |
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speed for money its another of these blocks. |
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they want to turn our computers into cell phone menus "check out my appZ" Apple is the worst about it really. Aside from their annoying sleek metrosexual image they've successfully dumbed down a whole generation with their products. Even some people on xltronic launch retarded applications like Itunes over their own custom filing system (you know... folders). Plus everyone who uses that stuff has sideburns . I'm riding the windows xp train until 4gb of ram doesn't cut it anymore |
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I agree with the last sentiment a lot. Since I dont play games and my computer and do music apps fine, I never have to upgrade anything. A few years ago bigger was better but now most applications can already be run, on xp too. There's no need for newest and greatest anymore. |
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they've successfully dumbed down a whole generation with their products yeah, sure.. |
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These kids can't troubleshoot. They can't even find their own files on their computer. "My Iphoto dosent open OMG where are my pix?" They jizz everytime Steve Jobs and friends release a new gigabyte worth of space on their Iphone but don't know how to install a stick of RAM. "?HALP MY TWITTER IS MESSED!" We were trying to move your DOOM.EXE from D: to C: in DOS, after finally installing that new 3.5inch Floppy drive with our bare hands. These kids..... These are not my kind of kids. |
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a middle way between you and cx, what if apple removed the irrelevant shit to the eyes of the masses, and left the skills to those really worth them? |
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Its just hard for me because I want to customize. Realizing that people want it super easy now, there is a growing trend to REMOVE options in newer versions of windows etc. Some applications (like STEAM) don't even give you the option of where you can install files that you've downloaded from them. Fuck that, just give me a file path and i'll set it up, holms. These "upgrades" are usually downgrades for me. It's just annoying ;p |
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i agree with that |
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what's in a file path? why do you need it? it's just a stupid metaphor for something that doesn't exist on your harddrive. files are not stored in paths. micromanaging files worked perfectly fine when you had hundreds, maybe a thousand files on your system (the doom days :D). now you can up-and download vast amounts of data, i'm overwhelmed with the stuff that lands in my download folder alone week per week. so now i'm trying the switch to tagging files and just dumping them wherever, it's more intuitive... and works cross application, cross data type, cross platform, cross machine. we have really powerful computers in our pockets nowadays (smartphones, psp etc) and they will most likely continue to be *way* more ubiquitous than they are now, no? the desktop pc is now already as archaic as those room-filling pre-computers in the 40s and 50s were. machines will become 'invisible' at some point, meaning that we don't have to care how they work. Much like we handle books, we don't have to know what the ink mixture is, where the paper comes from and how it's built. We just use them, intuitively. Or pencil/paper combo. It's ubiquitous, we don't care. We think about the content on the paper, not the paper. Same thing will happen to computers. |
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hack google |
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this is a command |
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this is a really good post, excellent points Desktop PCs arent archaic just yet though My graphics card is a , about two and a half times the size of a PSP in and of itself. sure I could get a PSP instead, but it's an inferior product. So is an XBOX3shitty. The controls suck ass on consoles and that's what it really comes down to-- a loss of control as things become more streamlined. We'll see how it evolves in the next decade. Speaking of evolution, your paper and ink metaphor dosen't really work for me. A peice of paper is just about the most limited canvas, whereas computers will continue to evolve until they take over the entire world and enslave us. They're almost like life forms and they need human hands to work them and make them better. |
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greata |
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Uh guys, this OS is open source. It's just going to be another distribution of Linux with a fancy and newer GUI. Why the fuck do you think there's going to be censorship? Who will regulate that and control it? The developers don't want to censor their own work, guys. |
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I'm aware the tide is turning away from me. I'm only 25 and I'm already a bitter old man reminiscing about the good old days when I actually had hard copies of games and movies and music. It wont matter though cause music and movies will suck even worse than they do now in 10 more years. |
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The controls suck ass on consoles and that's what it really comes down to-- a loss of control as things become more streamlined. yes, controllers in the 90s were essential but you had all you need. it's the oversupply of choice, as always, that cuts down creativity |
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"it's the oversupply of choice" Bang on! When will it end? When we have all devolved into single cell molecules again probably! Or when we have killed our planet. |
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thats a good post too. specifically getting to the nerdy core of my quote: A first person on a console today is completely inferior to a first person shooter played with a mouse and keyboard. In every single respect. I'm not really about the diversity or the oversupply of choice, i'm just about the mouse and keyboard period. Just that. So that's my medium. See, you guys are using nice logic and really-- I agree with you. You speak the truth. I'm not using logic. I'm just going off how it makes me feel. I don't like this new generation of fucking kids. I don't like their toys, I don't like their bullshit music, I don't like their MTV Movie Awards. I don't like their hair or their American Idols. I'm a grumpy old (young) miser going down on a sinking ship made of turn of the century nostalgia and nothing is going to turn me back now. But you, mohamed, you're all right ;p |
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hm, mine is experience as well, not science :/ |
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i also think at some point it won't matter anymore if we're trying to stay in touch with new developments or not, because interfaces to digital data just have to become *really* intuitive for all this to work, as in: you won't need a manual or tutorial, but have intuitive control about information in- and output. how does googling feel for you right now? is it still a very conscious task to think of, decide about, and type search queries, or does it already begin to shift into your subconsciousness? do you consciously read the results, or subconsciously scan and filter them for relevant information? we're (the wealthy western society humans) transforming from workers into definers and deciders, on a day by day, minute by minute basis. we're outsourcing simple tasking to be able to concentrate on redefining our lifestyles all the time, and we're all the time deciding things intuitively based on information we consider relevant (which we also have to decide) for us. This information has to be filtered, and right now we're working hard on means to make this info-mining/filtering/referencing/sharing more streamlined so we can concentrate on making decisions/output. So when you say the controls suck on some device... you're probably right, but imo this is what Chrome OS should be about: eliminate the controls, give you control. which also makes MS' project Natal pretty exciting imo. blabla |
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All Life is science my chums. |
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yeah but you still made a well thought out point about the nature of limitations aiding creativity It's not all as dire as I made it sound. I've just been up for almost 24 hours without sleep. I dont hate ALL the new kids. Maybe not even most of them. Just the ones that voted for "Twilight" as best picture at the MTV movie awards. I'm not exactly w M w-- completely stuck in a small bubble of the 90s (though I'm closer than I'd like to admit). "LOST" was a pleasant surprise spawned from the new era of media. So is Fallout 3, Dexter, and a bunch of other new things I probably should give a chance. |
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Yeah. Again, interesting thoughts. I think at this point it's all pretty intuitive for me. Until an "update" occurs--- say a google OS type thing. Then I have to learn THAT instead and find my way around again, when I was perfectly comfortable where I was. Part of this is laziness. |
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I know what you mean. There is good and bad in all the ages. Kids are force fed commercial rubbish by the corps. Sadly, that's the way it is at the moment. My opinion is that they could do with some positive education. But they have rubbish fired at them from all angles, Its not entirely their fault. Education is the key. |
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yes to the last posts, too many things to say |
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education and some new twist. my generation had computers. a whole new avenue to explore-- new sounds for new music and new ways to communicate and entertain ourselves. We burned pretty brightly. whats new for the new kids? Twitter? That's like a grotesque mockery of the internet in and of itself. |
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twitter lol |
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The new twist should be a higher level of education. Not just the nuts and bolts. Not just adding things on top of the existing programs. A complete overhaul of the system. Maybe an impossible job?, I hope not. |
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where do you find proper education where there's lack of proper education? |
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you won't need a manual or tutorial, but have intuitive control about information in- and output. daydreaming? |
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All Life is science my chums. are you a scientist of life? nice to meet you. |
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Until an "update" occurs--- say a google OS type thing i am sticking with the last update of leopard since last year |
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There is not a lack of proper education, Its there if you want it. University And college. I find the more you find learn The more you want to learn. A large part of the younger generations only want to learn about celebrity culture and the like. In England say, Science is a dying subject (they are talking about scraping it), Yet it is one of the most important if you look at the big picture. most kids now would rather do media studies. |
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Nice to meet you too. |
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university and college to learn life, thats sounds like a contradiction. at least in the country where i live. i was talking about that a while ago with the personnel chief of the place where i work, cos they are selling all of us out. if you go to uni then you find yourself learning something that is everything but wise, unless you spend thousands of money into one of these courses for rich people, which i've been told from a trusted source that they are not always good. you take the risk being into an average economical situation? you have 50% of probability to succeed in your search, but there are lots of variables if we talk about life, too. i've said this before, the proper education its something that comes before the technical stuff. maybe it's already there but it just hides well. |
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i'll make you another real life example if you want to learn a language, it's better to sit with a book or go to that country and talk with those people? obvious as shiz. |
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know the feeling man. Reading this fred, made me think and wander, you know like when you meet older folk who are some what naieve to 'modern technology' stuff we take for granted, but the same older people are well adept at using tools and technology of thier days, like real hand tools and stuff i aint so good at using. well shit thats us changing into people who got comfortable with what they were used to using, not embrassing new technologies and in the next 20 years providing we make it thru will appear to people that have never had any grasp on modern technologies. if it doesnt make sense my appologies. |
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Wolfslice I couldn't have said it better myself.. I really don't like stuff like twitter either. Many places I have read statements that said 'peoples patience are growing smaller everyday' several places. And I think Great? are we supposed to be proud of this? Of course they use that only because it's a nice marketing term for their uber fast hosting services, but maybe it's true and we're now turning into 10 year old children again. I don't have anything against how easy and automated everything is becoming in one sense, but when it comes to my operating system I think freedom is better than automation. |
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"university and college to learn life, thats sounds like a contradiction" It depends what life your talking about. Are we talking life in a ,science ,chemistry, biology way? This can be learned. Or in a life experience way. Which is learned/experienced as we travel through our life. |
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i am talking about music, which has only one sense and it's the second. |
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:) |
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I'm shocked that no one has mentioned the term "cloud computing". Cloud computing is somewhat analogous with the old mainframe / "dumb" terminal computing dichotomy. The "cloud" exists on servers run by the big boys, like Google. With their own operating system, Google can shunt a lot of things off into the cloud (online server farm processing). Don't let the fact that they are running a free/open source Linux kernel fool you. What they will want to do is lock you in to using their online services by linking their OS into the "cloud". If they blur the boundaries between online and offline they will be able to get people interested especially if they make it "shiny" like an Apple OS. Incidentally, Eric Schmidt (Google CEO) sits on the Apple board of directors. The best thing for computing and freedom is to have a variety of operating systems and vendors and applications. The Google philosophy is "don't be evil".... I'm not sure if I trust them. Don't fall into the trap. By all means use the best tools at your disposal, but mix it up a bit. Don't put all your eggs in the Google basket. Remember, Google's main income is from advertising. If you think the Google OS isn't phoning home to build up a highly detailed profile about you, then you need to stop drinking from the mainstream. |
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