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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-08-26 10:27 [#02231925]
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are they all bad, slow and buggy? my motu trav has just shat itself and i need a small little firewire thing to have me going while it's getting fixed..
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-08-26 10:34 [#02231926]
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how reliable are USB audio ints? i have never used one. just for temporary use, and probably priced around 100-150
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2008-08-26 11:05 [#02231934]
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i have the usb audio Quattro. I used it for about 5 years before the midi finally gave out. I still use it though for the 1/4" ins/outs. It's pretty fast, I'd say. But it's old so they probably have a newer better updated one?
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big
from lsg on 2008-08-26 11:18 [#02231937]
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i have firewire and i guess i recommend that though i can't say why
if it doesn't work i read you're screwed because of their customer service
all in all i still recommend m-audio
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freqy
on 2008-08-26 11:19 [#02231938]
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motu travler thats a nice piece o kit ..whats wrong with it?
i used a usb audio....never again... i had a lexicon the thing was like a delay unit! ive got 4 pro cards that lexicon was for the internet machine i got....i wouldnt even use it for that.
i got a pcmcia and pci they are great.
go to ebay geta an emu 0404 PCI ! you got patchmix internal routing of anything to anything...like tracktor to cubase....or whatever. although no pre amp on that card
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freqy
on 2008-08-26 11:20 [#02231939]
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oh its being fixed ...good.
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ecnadniarb
on 2008-08-26 12:12 [#02231950]
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Depends on the PC, some USB IRQ's are shared with stupid stuff which causes major audio drop out issues on some laptops (eg. HP).
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freqy
on 2008-08-26 12:56 [#02231953]
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ahh yeh for a laptop ....pci not really an option. sozz.
never bought a firewire card ... always wanted your motu traveler tho ..soooooo sweet. :P hope yuou get it fixed nice.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-08-26 14:01 [#02231971]
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no sound comes out of the motu no matter what - and if its anything its a really loud beep you can't adjust w/ volume...
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2008-08-26 14:02 [#02231972]
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If you can, then get firewire. I've got a terratc usb doodah and it's alright, but can't do duplex 24/96 due to USB bandwidth limitations (not really a problem for me).
Firewire has higher average datarate. Although peak is 480(?)Mbps for USB2 and 400Mbps for firewire400, this is misleading because it is the average speed which is of interest. Firewire uses a network topology, whereas USB acts like the device is part of the computer. Firewire acts like it is a seperate computer (sort of). USB uses much more host CPU, but firewire uses other means to do the bulk of the sums, freeing up you CPU :)
conclusion: firewire is better. USB is good enough for me, but I only use 16bit/48kHz duplex. My buffer sizes are pretty big and I'm not fussed about latency. Since USB uses your CPU more, if you're doing lots of CPU intensive stuff you may need to get a bigger buffer =more latency.
If you have other USB bits attached, they can steal the bandwidth also if your BIOS is badly configured it will suffer, like sharing IRQs with other devices and fun things like that.
I'm not any sort of pro audio specialist, but my friend is and all the pro kit is firewire for audio/video. There is a very good reason for this: it is better.
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freqy
on 2008-08-26 14:04 [#02231973]
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see, i didn't even read your post properly i was so excited you had a traveler.
hopes you get it back soon.
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big
from lsg on 2008-08-26 14:05 [#02231974]
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i have a high wistle tone, that i can hear when there's no music
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big
from lsg on 2008-08-26 14:06 [#02231975]
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that's because of something like that, someone told me, not the m-audio firewire 410
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2008-08-26 14:16 [#02231977]
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i no got that on mine 410.
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big
from lsg on 2008-08-26 14:18 [#02231978]
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yea
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-08-27 13:30 [#02232229]
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just wish there was a firewire or usb audio int. that had 4 ins, 2 unbalanced outs and thats it !!!!!!!!!!!! this sucks!!!!!!
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-08-27 13:38 [#02232230]
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FUCK, MAN!!!!!!!!
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freqy
on 2008-08-27 13:40 [#02232231]
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dont buy lexicon ( con ) great reverb , shiet usb audio
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-08-27 13:53 [#02232238]
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turns out its' my mac and its firewire port that's the problem, fucking total suckage and depressing the shit out of me.
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2008-08-27 14:02 [#02232241]
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I'm shocked to discover that a mac could suffer from any problem at all. Steve jobs told me they are perfect, hence the sooper dooper price...
sound on sound this month has some sort of audio card guide or somehting. I don't buy it anymore but I flick through as I bung up the isle in WHsmith desperately trying (and failing) to find something worth buying.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-08-27 14:13 [#02232248]
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it's just total and utter bullshit you know? it kills my buzz, you want to get down and make some tunes and instead you have to put your energy into fixing the shit. i got the mac last year really cause theyre supposed to be the most reliable for music and you dont have to fuck around with the little bits but, for christs sake, i mean, a computer is a computer. it's all electronic they all break. i'm thinking about just getting a mother fucking 4-track , ditching the computer and everything and just fucking rigging it you know? i'm sick of this shit
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-08-27 14:20 [#02232251]
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. im just going to buy some fucking bongo's. my monomachine is broken too. it's all just fucking wack, my studio is now a rim shitted facial of expensive things that are inoperable
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freqy
on 2008-08-27 14:24 [#02232254]
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hang on thats great!! you mean your traveler is o.k!! ! pheeewww!!!
just buy a new firwire card or something off ebay! great news. right!!?
cant you buy a firwire card for it?
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freqy
on 2008-08-27 14:26 [#02232255]
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and hey at least its technical not like a woman scooping your brains out for her enjoyment!! that shit aint fun.
come on tell us your mac laptop model we can all go off and find teh best deal or idea to help.
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larn
from PLANET E (United Kingdom) on 2008-08-27 14:27 [#02232256]
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do you need 4 phono inputs?
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larn
from PLANET E (United Kingdom) on 2008-08-27 14:27 [#02232257]
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i mean jack inputs
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-08-27 14:34 [#02232260]
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4 blnc ns, 2 unbl outs, thats it
can you buy xtra firewire cards for these? where woiuld you plug it in - aint like its got PCMCIA slots!
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-08-27 14:35 [#02232261]
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oh its a macbook. the black one
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2008-08-27 14:42 [#02232264]
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best decision I ever made was stop using the computer and got a MPC. ok it can't do 100% of a track, but it does the vital first 80% really well then do the last bit on a comp.
other way round you end up doing it backwards and get nowhere.
modern computers do too many things. there is too much to go wrong, too many lines of code, etc. sell the mac. they are seriously overpriced for the sake of a fruity themed OS.
maybe look up the MPC 5000 or the roland MV8000 or what I use, MPC1000 with JJOS. Just an idea, but it worked wonders for me.
(plus no usb/firewire/drivers/BlueScreenOfDeath/latency/aggro)
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freqy
on 2008-08-27 14:42 [#02232265]
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pci
ExpressCard/34 and ExpressCard/54?
whats the actual model number of your laptop?
there is bound to be a way. work with me on this
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freqy
on 2008-08-27 14:43 [#02232267]
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firewire 800 ports
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freqy
on 2008-08-27 14:48 [#02232268]
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Type I/II PC Card or ExpressCard
LAZY_TITLE
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larn
from PLANET E (United Kingdom) on 2008-08-27 14:50 [#02232270]
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if i was you i would stay away from m-audio, not from peronal experience, but from bad reviews. you might be good with one of these babies LAZY_TITLE
they are actualy designed mackie, but under a different name i think. it's bus powered too with the firewire
i think it's a cute little interface to use until you get your motu fixed
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freqy
on 2008-08-27 14:54 [#02232271]
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express 43 card to firewire mac
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larn
from PLANET E (United Kingdom) on 2008-08-27 14:54 [#02232272]
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there is one going on US ebay for 150 buyitnow
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freqy
on 2008-08-27 14:55 [#02232273]
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*express 34 card i mean....it should have an expansion port of some kind !!!!!
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freqy
on 2008-08-27 14:56 [#02232275]
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there is nothing wrong with his motu traveler ...its the firewire port on his laptop...so all he needs is a new firewire port. £20 quid job
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larn
from PLANET E (United Kingdom) on 2008-08-27 14:59 [#02232276]
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oooh i see, didnt read that post
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freqy
on 2008-08-27 15:08 [#02232281]
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tis o.k i did the same thing earlier. i just hope he gets a firwire port working , tis a nice sound card.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2008-08-27 15:39 [#02232302]
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can u rec audio w/ an affordable mpc? i thought they just did midi
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2008-08-27 15:51 [#02232303]
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yes. its a midi seq and audio sampler. typical workflow: sample cds/vinyl/etc trim samples,etc make program arrange sequence with internal programs and midi data for external devices.
overview: song(top) .sequence ..tracks ...midi data (or notes to trigger internal sounds,etc)
programs and samples are easy. program is made of 1 or more audio samples. each track has either a program (internal sounds) or is pumped to a midi port to drive synths,etc (or u can do both, i.e. trigger internal sounds and send midi).
layer up the tracks in a sequence, string sequences toghether to make a song.
you have a "track mute" and "next sequence" screens so you can do non-linear things or there is song mode, where you stack up the sequences in the order you want them to play.
you can use the mpc as a standalone box. you can crank up the rec.gain to use a mic directly (no phantom power though). some models have a phono socket with RIAA correction (for direct to record deck connection).
also it has internal fx (which are alright (not awful, not great)) and you can record the main outputs so you can sample itself (this is a BIG feature).
MPC 1000/2500, get the JJOS to double it's usefulness. MY 1k is a great little box that gets ideas out of my brain better than a computer.
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big
from lsg on 2008-08-27 16:04 [#02232316]
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chirst, what does it matter if it has too many outs, it's not that you pay much extra for them. more ins is prolly more expensive though
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2008-08-28 04:11 [#02232445]
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I reccomend this one:
Echo Audiofire
(They also have them with 8/8 and 12/12, + you can connect them, so you can buy an ekstra 4/4 if you suddenly find don't have enough I/O)
I also have the black macbook, and yeah, it's overrated, but it's going to look very chic when i play live.
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divil
from Ireland on 2008-08-28 05:17 [#02232451]
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Focusrite Saffire LE
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freqy
on 2008-08-28 05:51 [#02232454]
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his only mac firewire port is broken , there is nothing wrong with the MOTU.
so why buy another card :/ ?
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