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Agnosticism or Atheism?
 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2008-06-14 21:34 [#02215965]
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What do you think is more reasonable?


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2008-06-14 21:49 [#02215968]
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neither, you dont need an ism to live life, but agnosticism
isn't denial.


 

offline rad smiles on 2008-06-14 21:56 [#02215969]
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its foolish


 

offline rad smiles on 2008-06-14 21:57 [#02215970]
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Agnosticism is more reasonable though, to me.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2008-06-14 22:09 [#02215971]
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Its just the way we call it


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-06-14 23:11 [#02215974]
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atheism would seem to me more rational. and agnosticism more
reasonable in the context of discussions with 'normal'
religions.


 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2008-06-15 02:16 [#02215978]
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I'm atheistic in relation to the monotheisms, agnostic in
relation to things I know less about.


 

offline colani from Retarded (France) on 2008-06-15 02:39 [#02215979]
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God is real funny, see what happens when you start praying
:

lol


 

offline DiaZoHeXagoN from The city of angels (United States) on 2008-06-15 04:50 [#02215990]
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I prefer gnosticism (Literally Agnosis = unknowing)


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-06-15 05:49 [#02216002]
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Neither thanks. If it's not important to any other animal,
why should it be important to me?


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-06-15 05:51 [#02216003]
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classic in the religion bashing department:

George Carlin - Religion is Bullshit


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2008-06-15 06:21 [#02216005]
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agnostic. we are just smelly humans who will never know
either way no matter how we debate the subject. aetheism is
too conclusive and arrogant.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-06-15 06:23 [#02216006]
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It probably isn't important to any other animal whether or
not something is important to any other animal either, but
you still seem to find it important...


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-06-15 06:34 [#02216007]
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I just told you I don't find it important, so why are you
telling me I do? By virtue of taking part in a theological
discussion doesn't necessarily make it important.


 

offline cyrstal dude from LA all day! (United States) on 2008-06-15 06:38 [#02216008]
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i feel sory for you because when the lord comes back then
you willthink that he is your only way to not fry in hell
for eternity. i think that you better have a different
outlook toward the lord because he is there watching over
you and he can easily turn his back on you when you cry out
in a desperate need that might be your only hope.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-06-15 07:13 [#02216010]
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You obviously find what other animals find important to be
important. Otherwise, you wouldn't base what it is you are
supposed to find important on what other animals find
important. However, it isn't clear that other animals find
what other animals find important to be important. You are
therefore contradicting yourself when you claim that what
isn't important to other animals is important to you to such
an extent that you base what you find important on it.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2008-06-15 07:16 [#02216013]
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Some animals also lick there own pissflaps. Do this also


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-06-15 07:18 [#02216014]
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wow
this is turning into a mess. way to go with drunken
reasoning


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2008-06-15 07:19 [#02216015]
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8 x important


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-06-15 07:23 [#02216018]
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i count 9!


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-06-15 07:38 [#02216020]
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Actually it's ten.

If you take the i from the first important, the m from the
second, and so on, you get nine letters which make up i m p
o r t a n t.


 

offline J198 from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2008-06-15 08:03 [#02216026]
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i am leaning towards atheism lately partly because of
writings and debates by dawkins, hitchens and harris.

i can't help but agreeing that belief in an omnipotent god
as a creator and ruler is indeed delusional.

.


 

offline larn from PLANET E (United Kingdom) on 2008-06-15 08:27 [#02216027]
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i read Plato and became aware of the possible existence of a
metapysical realm beyond or above the sensory world. I came
to understand that the human mind could concieve of a realm
of which the empiricle world was epiphenomenal. Finaly i
came to believe that in a certain sense the empiricle world
was not truly real, at least not as real as the archetypal
realm beyond it.



 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-06-15 08:27 [#02216028]
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I already told you, animals DON'T find it important, and I
DON'T find it important, and this discussion is NOT
important either. If you want to waste your time inventing
contradictions that's up to you - good luck.


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-06-15 08:28 [#02216029]
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I feel sorry for you that you're mentally ill.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2008-06-15 08:36 [#02216033]
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I CANT COUNT.


 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2008-06-15 08:39 [#02216034]
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Oh wow - someone who was actually "converted" by dawkins,
hitchens and harris! The Atheist Alliance is increasing in
numbers.

I think it's important that work like this is going on.
Hitchens' book is especially Great - unlike the book's
subject matter har har!

But most of this recent debate misses the point. It doesn't
go far enough in explaining what makes religions so much
fun: it has to do with cool drinks and crazy hats, and
Pope-mobiles in teh nite. The coolest drink is the blood of
a jew, yum yummy.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-06-15 08:52 [#02216036]
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with that reasoning i come to 90.



 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2008-06-15 09:07 [#02216040]
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neither are important (to me), as are the terms "religion"
or "god" they refer to


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2008-06-15 09:12 [#02216042]
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Hawkins doesn't know what he is talking about. You should
read Hans Küng instead.


 

offline J198 from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2008-06-15 09:23 [#02216045]
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Dawkins on the other hand..


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2008-06-15 09:26 [#02216046]
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I dont know, havent read dawkins. I bet its some antisemtic
atheist fundamentalist literature


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-06-15 09:30 [#02216047]
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so you haven't read dawkins, but you know that he doesn't
know what he's talking about? only brilliant people are
allowed to do that


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2008-06-15 09:36 [#02216048]
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Yeah so...I am brilliant!.....And sexy. Dawkins on the other
hand....


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-06-15 09:40 [#02216050]
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just sexy. what a lucky guy. if i could choose i'd pick sexy
as well. brilliance is for homos


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-06-15 09:41 [#02216051]
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You also don't know how to read, apparently.

Try again.


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2008-06-15 09:49 [#02216056]
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does god exist or not


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-06-15 09:51 [#02216057]
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he did exist, but he quit his job 1000 years ago. last
rumors i heard was that he was chilling behind some cloud of
dark matter.

could you roll a spliff from dark matter?


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2008-06-15 09:56 [#02216060]
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it's possible. maybe not now, but in about 20 years - YES !


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-06-15 09:58 [#02216061]
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awesome. i'd almost think there has to be a god. funny.
normally i only get that feeling when i'm around hot chicks


 

offline xkejjer from Malta on 2008-06-15 10:58 [#02216077]
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but animals are dumb

the animal kingdom


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-06-15 11:02 [#02216078]
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Dawkins is aggravating. He is so entrenched in his own
anti-religious beliefs that he's become just as ignorant as
those he claims to be ignorant.


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2008-06-15 11:08 [#02216079]
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frying pantheism


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2008-06-15 11:11 [#02216080]
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hawking is pretentious. he comes from essex and speaks with
an american accent. wot a nob.


 

offline J198 from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2008-06-15 11:37 [#02216087]
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whats up with everyone calling dawkins either hawkins or
hawking all the time?

and dont even try and pretend you were talking about stephen
hawking, nob.


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2008-06-15 11:38 [#02216088]
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i was, otherwise the joke wouldnt work, idiot.


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2008-06-15 11:40 [#02216089]
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its rather patronising for u to assume i dont know the
difference between stephen hawking and richard dawkins. one
is a spanner the other is a nerd.


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-06-15 12:40 [#02216104]
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which is which?


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2008-06-15 15:43 [#02216157]
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The guy from Shining Time Station makes some good points
there


 

offline DiaZoHeXagoN from The city of angels (United States) on 2008-06-15 16:48 [#02216171]
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I've never really understood why people get so upset over
this. If I believe in God or not doesn't or shouldn't
effect anyone. I've always been down for discussion, I
think it's always very interesting to both parties learning
about other points of views as long as no one is trying to
convert each other. Every point of view is a theory and all
require some amount of faith (in a non-religious way). What
makes one point of view better? Yet some jackass must
always say "I feel bad for you, because you're going to
hell" which is very opposite of what it is you preach, since
judgment does not belong to you, or "you are just ignorant
and some brainwahed fool to believe in something that isn't
tangible" why should you care, aren't we all just dust
anyways? What is our constant desire to always convert each
other by insults?


 


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