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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-05-22 08:24 [#02209226]
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Since I have my MIDI keyboard now and I've been getting acquainted with it recently I was considering making the move from FL-Studio to Ableton because there have been some limitations with FL-Studio which is probably just my limited knowledge of FL-Studio's MIDI capabilities...
...but what I'm curious to know is what things are available in Ableton that are available in FL-STUDIO.... things such as quantize, piano roll; I know VSTs are now catered for, but are they as easy to use and twiddle with?
Shit like that, really - cos if I did start using Abletone I would have devote quite some time & energy into it and want to be sure it's worth it.
Any other suggestions are welcome, thanks so fucking much you shit-eating peasant bastards.
:@
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retape
from http://retape.net (Norway) on 2008-05-22 08:30 [#02209228]
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yes!
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hexane
on 2008-05-22 08:32 [#02209230]
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a suggestion
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big
from lsg on 2008-05-22 08:38 [#02209232]
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im still at fl and was wondering how easy it is to record loops live in live
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-05-22 08:59 [#02209237]
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My favorite thing about Live is automations, because you can get in there with a one hair brush and get super detailed with it.
Say you have a beat and you want to put little syncopated accents on it, maybe for a dubstep effect or something. Drop some FX on the track and you can pencil in little device on or dry/wet commands. You can get really cool results programming the beat on the straight, then penciling in automations on the triplet grid.
Or say you have a nice downtempo pattern going and you want it to shuffle for a bit then straighten out. You can pencil in a global shuffle automation and Live will not only adjust your midi but also warp your audio to the shuffle template.
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-05-22 09:03 [#02209238]
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It is easy. It has a pattern mode that is super intuitive. Punch In/Out recording. You can crop down loops from a longer recording, and then if you want just drag and drop the loop onto the Impusle drum pads and now you can trigger it, or onto Simpler and play it like a patch. It is SO easy.
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2008-05-22 09:09 [#02209243]
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Yep, piano roll, quantize, everything you need is there. The step from FL to AL is easy, I made it myself.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-05-22 11:27 [#02209271]
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Oh yeah, I remembered something else -- does Ableton support soundfonts, cos I use some great percussion samples which come as stand-alone wav files or as soundfonts (the two Krush.. tracks used some of them)... it would be a great plus if it would use the soundfont packs to save loading up individual .wav files.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2008-05-22 12:38 [#02209300]
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Not sure about this "sound fonts" as I've never used em. but I find it quite easy to load samples into the built-in sampler (drag and drop) so i can throw together a drum kit pretty quick. you could also easily wired to Reason or Battery or whatever. So if you were using any of those programs with these "sound fonts" you could just keep using them wired through Live.
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-05-22 12:49 [#02209301]
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I did a quick search and it seems like there are plug-ins available to host sound fonts in live.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2008-05-22 12:53 [#02209302]
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and vst's and vst instruments are really easy to hook up and use i think.
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-05-22 12:56 [#02209304]
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>Thanks, I think you gave us some muffled hints here :) >I'll just add on a fairly random question here - Sampler >can play soundfonts but is there a way without it?
right, soundfonts are only supported by sampler, but there are also a lot of freeware plugins out there that support soundfonts, so if you don't need all other features of sampler and only plan to play soundfonts those products are fine. (Editor: for Macs and Windows go to http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/download.html and get Crystal which is a VST plugin. For Windows there's also Fantasize and maybe others.)
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-05-22 12:56 [#02209305]
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ableton is wonderful. everything is really simple, drag and drop. youll be amazed at how backasswards some of the things in flstudio feel once you get used to live.
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2008-05-22 12:59 [#02209308]
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i like the Ableton live skin editor, you can make it look like a super nintendo game while you make music
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-05-22 15:22 [#02209342]
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oooh, this i did not know! where do you find skins?
< doesn't know how to use google.
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avart
from nomo' on 2008-05-22 16:32 [#02209370]
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4eva grateful 4 w.cd
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avart
from nomo' on 2008-05-22 16:33 [#02209371]
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dat was 4 hed
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2008-05-22 16:38 [#02209377]
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It's like this and this
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wolfman
from Newcastle on 2008-05-22 16:46 [#02209382]
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options preferences look feel
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2008-05-22 16:49 [#02209385]
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save the file ext as .ask and it should work, on OS X you just have to right click the Live Icon in the Live FOLDER and goto show package contents, then just open live and select it in preferences
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2008-05-22 16:54 [#02209391]
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Don't your eyes work well? Why are you changing the look of it?
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wolfman
from Newcastle on 2008-05-22 16:55 [#02209392]
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theres is better looks than the one it gives you
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2008-05-22 16:56 [#02209393]
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yeah i made this really wierd one, just to see if it would help me stay interested, and not just bored/dull
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2008-05-22 16:59 [#02209394]
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'there are', not 'theres'.
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wolfman
from Newcastle on 2008-05-22 17:00 [#02209396]
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i dont do grammar on the internet sorry
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2008-05-22 17:05 [#02209398]
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we know.
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cx
from Norway on 2008-05-22 17:06 [#02209399]
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live is heaps better than fl. i made the switch myself. workflow and interface is a dream.
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wolfman
from Newcastle on 2008-05-22 17:08 [#02209402]
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WE know?
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2008-05-22 17:11 [#02209404]
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Yes, WE know. You're saying trite, wrong things on a public message board.
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-05-22 17:12 [#02209407]
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didn't do a grammer on an internet.
Is FL better for straight up drum sequencing? Someone said that once.
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wolfman
from Newcastle on 2008-05-22 17:13 [#02209408]
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who's WE? And what is it that i'm saying wrong?
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-05-22 17:17 [#02209411]
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the ones he feels like he's supported by after 9000 posts.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2008-05-22 17:17 [#02209412]
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Haha, God knows who we are! I'm just messing around before bedtime.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-05-22 17:19 [#02209413]
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smart ass
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wolfman
from Newcastle on 2008-05-22 17:19 [#02209414]
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You sound like a fool,telling me off for trying to help someone
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-05-22 17:20 [#02209415]
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Yeah man he's a total loser... I'll bet he doesn't even have a bloody job!
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2008-05-22 17:21 [#02209416]
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Helping an Ableton look? Nice one.
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2008-05-22 17:21 [#02209417]
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i dont have a job
racist
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-05-22 17:23 [#02209419]
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You don't deserve one!
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2008-05-22 17:23 [#02209420]
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then what do i deserve?
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wolfman
from Newcastle on 2008-05-22 17:24 [#02209422]
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Sounds like you dont have any WE's to back you up on the ableton look front?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-05-22 17:26 [#02209424]
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Oh man, please.... don't put an apostrophe in a plural.
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wolfman
from Newcastle on 2008-05-22 17:28 [#02209427]
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Sorry,It didnt look right without one.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-05-22 17:30 [#02209430]
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OK - but there's a very simple rule...
Rule: A plural never has 's
(even the plural is an acronym, e.g. CDs, DVDs)
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2008-05-22 17:31 [#02209432]
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i deserve a life of never having a steady/well-paying job, only getting my payments payed by asking my mother to help me out, promising her that one day i can pay her back, i will drop out of art school because im too lazy to actually work hard and impress someone, therefore ridding myself of any chance to make any money, because my music will obviously not pan out for me and provide the satisfaction that i seem to need right now in order to be happy
BLAHAHEGEGEGAGEHAEGAHEAHEAEHJKDHKSJFHDSKVDJKFJWOEFFDKFNEWMF NEWMFNEWMFENFERJKEWKQKEN1234567890987654321
Macbook Pro
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-05-22 17:35 [#02209433]
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I'm bleating for you my friend.
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wolfman
from Newcastle on 2008-05-22 17:36 [#02209434]
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Thanks for that marlowe .I'm not very good at writing stuff but i'm always glad to help.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2008-05-22 17:39 [#02209435]
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Haha! You should give Ableton a go marlowe. It's really well done and you can do things from 'Pro Tools' to any other things.
If you think 'what do I want to do?', rather than 'what can it do'.
I'll send you some bits I've played with tomorow if you like to show the fun bits.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-05-22 17:40 [#02209436]
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That would be great jivver - I found myself having ideas which I couldn't fully realise with FL and I know Ableton is very popular so I figured it might be better now that I have a proper MIDI keyboard with lots of lovely knobs and slides ;)
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2008-05-22 17:43 [#02209437]
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i do not need you! i am also a loner who needs nobody because i am too self-absorbed!
ha!
go learn your ableton and make some musics
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