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This is the next lil piece of UK, glasse. |
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nah, it's not uneasy, it's utterly fucked |
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It is slowly fucking itself, yes. But BORIS will save us all!!! |
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"Lovell paid £130 for Liam’s fleece, in regulation school uniform blue, from BladeRunner, based in Romford. " Oh, cool shop name, tasteful. |
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I know! |
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*sits in the back and observes* |
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Welcome glasse. Todays study of my country is a look at the slow growing paranoia festering in various aspects of british society. It gets worse the closer you get to anything CITY as this is where social unease and isolation becomes perculiarly mixed with our classical sense of reserve and quiet. Combine it with your findings in the JHEST video. |
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i'd love it if boris became pm |
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Will cameron do? |
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because this is really going to help the situation and not antagonise the climate of hysteria. |
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cool video |
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See, the UK is a marvelous place really. We all have complete free speech (as complete as it gets) aswell as freedoms of all kinds. Our society as a whole has worked hard to progress and leave behind bigotry, mindless religion, empty social codes, pompous tradition ect. Education is pretty much available to all now (brick laying course - 1 gcse F grade required) and food aswell as luxury items are affordable enough. However, things are getting ugly underneath. It's not something that can easily be attributed to one massive problem but is related to hundreds of little itches. IT'S THE ITCHES THAT WILL TAKE US APART. Fashion lead by the 'freethinking' has confined us and left us desperate. The platform on which we built our new free country for the last ten years is still unfinished and will not hold under such pressure. All this work will be undone. BEWARE 'THE TEETH'; THE CREEPING EVIL THAT WHISPERS TO YOUR WEAKENED SOUL! Or just chill and watch a little bit of telly THIS IS ENGLAND NOW |
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...the worst run country ever. Bar America. |
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I think you'll find Zimbabwe is a lil bit worse. Oh and China probably wouldn't even let you write that. Baghdad looks a bit shit/completely lawless. Lets stay here |
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take a walk on the park and enjoy the sun, the wind, the crickets.. give it a try, it works good for the craziness inside the head (if theres no people around of course). |
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I have a high vis security jacket signed by Jehst in my wardrobe. I don't remember meeting him. |
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This is your nuke proof suit. Treasure it |
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I will my freind. I have to walk thru the park to get to my anger relief meetings anyway |
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as soon as the population of this country learn to not give a shit about any of this over the top protection/nanny state mollycoddling/PC nonsense/inane, mindnumbing EU directives the better. This country has gone down the proverbial toilet and it's time ordinary people took a stand against the yobs, thuggery and low life scum blighting this country's cities. We shouldn't be scared, but it's drummed into our heads that every single young man is a yob ready to beat the shit into us, so much so we're scared to approach anyone who is engaged in any act of crime or whatnot. And when we do approach the local yobbery and hit them round the face a bit, we're the ones who end up taking the rap for it! |
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all it takes is one person |
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Don't expect Boris to do anything. The other week he was going on about how cyclists have to clean up their act and that their misbehaviour on the roads was classed as the sort of petty crime he was determined to stamp out. Guess what? Less than a week after being appointed mayor he was filmed breaking 4 red lights and cycling on the pavement. Thats how dumb he is. |
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Boris is the start of BAD things *ominus low octave suspense music* |
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Mookster YES! Britain is stupid about what matters and acts up about what dosn't. We don't live in fucking china so dont go on about police state rubbish. While we are busy complaining about cameras and how the government lied, things are building badly underneath. We really need to face the antisocial thing with more balls, but not that bullshit mob mentality crap. I want people to outright detest it the way i do and then do the sensible thing. |
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Ok the worst run WESTERN country. |
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...Bar America. |
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Are there really more stabbings and violence now than 50 years ago? It seems somewhat doubtful. Anyway, it's all down to education at the end of the day. When idiots bring up idiots then society will be full of idiots. You can take their guns and knives and chuck them in prison, but they'll just keep on coming. You need a 20-year plan, not a 4-year plan full of illogical ideas and soon to be broken promises designed to overthrow whoever is in government at the time. One has to question whether this whole value system is working at all, clearly not by the looks of it. |
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Value system: It takes years and years to develope a social system near as good as the one we have, starting again would take forever. We have to let values develope ie they are better now than 50 years ago. Education: It certainly can't hurt can it but things are so much better than they were. School 10 years ago was crap compared to now, really. Attitudes that i got from teachers aren't nearly so common now. It needs improving tho Stabbing 50 years ago: A lot of people say that and it's true, but the issue is not so much the stabbing itself but the particularly ugly fashion it represents, hence me calling them STAB FASHION FUCKERS a while ago. It's so spoilt. These kids aren't stabbing eachother cos they had it real hard like some ghetto in glasgow; they synthesised a movement that indulges in cruelty, lack of morals and compasion, and boosts identity. The attacks themselves are so low, the people they attack are so vunerable, the gang vicousness, then they can put it on the web (spoilt fuckers) and laugh, sharing this filth. This is a line, it shouldn't be crossed, people shouldn't let them cross it. Even if we'd like to help them there is a line. There was this gay man about 50, he helped of lot of the injured in the soho bombing or something. A small group of mid teens kicked him to death and filmed it. One was laughing saying his head split like a football. At court during an interlude the victims father was taunted by the teens+parents from across the road singing 'the dead man's a faggot'. It made me cross how underplayed and reserved the report in the papers was, not getting at the heart of the nastiness at all. This is developing into a genuine problem that isn't quite like thuggery in past times, this is building up alongside plenty of other dangerous issues the UK isn't facing correctly! I FEEL UNEASY should i sit down? |
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I'm not talking about school. Education starts at home - that much is obvious. I would suggest that the parents or legal guardians of those caught committing such crimes be given massive fines or even prison sentences, but the whole idea is fraught with complexity. One thing's for sure, if you're a dumb parent you're more likely to bring your child up properly and keep him out of trouble if you get severley punished should they commit a crime. I think at the end of the day if you really, really, really want to create a positive social environment with tangible values then you have to start setting better examples. This probably would involve censorship, such as an outright ban on cruel and sadistic movies and video games etc. But most people are too selfish to allow that to happen so it never will. I'm afraid, we get what we ask for - few of us are blameless. |
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surprised nobody has mentioned our completely out of control binge drinking culture |
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...USUALLY COLD, WET AND WINDY |
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Its part of the problem. Sometimes it's fun to count the piles of puke you walk past on a monday morning |
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Punish parents - Nah. It wont work. Just means you got lots of kids with no parents (jail) or less money (fine). Censorship - No violent films/computer games is in no way the sollution. But it is a problem cos i know that they get into certain people in a profound way. We dont need censorship, that would glorify their cause. |
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.....Usually drink, usually dance, usually BUBBLE |
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makes me think a bit about A Clockwork Orange |
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In a way. I havn't watched the film properly. Only the current issue is all about the flavour of today and clockwork isn't so much about that. Did Jehst give you a little taste? This sorta describes it better than words. Don't you think that clockwork orange style mental conditioning is the only answer. We could have them running on wheels that powers the national grid. |
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Well you are talking about it being fashionable for these kids to roam the streets raping and beating the shit out of people for fun. And then dealing with the problem of rehabilitation, is what kind of reminded me of the message of that book/movie. I don't think the conditioning worked in the story. |
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Non, the conditioning is a joke, they dont even deserve it. It's not rape, it's not even angry frustrated underclass thugery. It's kids that want to be scarface; the short man that got himself a big slice of the pie. But somehow it's not even quite about the fuckin pie! This dosn't make sense does it. I suppose it's best put as spoilt little boys with too much testoterone and not enough discipline. Mix this with being talentless and unimportant and you've got yourself a stroppy twat with an insecurity complex. He is not alone, he finds brotherhood and unity in a petit group made large on intimidation, here is his security and belonging. Combine all this with the genuine problems of geographically/socially trapped council estate shit holes + a whole bunch of political/social/fashion issues. I blame scarface, ali g and eminem |
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Clockwork Orange seems to be the film closest to touching on it tho |
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Scarface has become iconic in urban american culture also. It is really a tragic story, but they don't see it that way. To them he is someone to look up to, to become, it is like the american dream. What I get from a character like scarface or michael corleone is being utterly consumed by a lust to have and control everything, and willing to put their conscience in the closet to get and keep it. I mean, I won't lie when I watch a gangster movie I am in it somewhat for the bad assery, but you know.. |
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Violence for entertainment dulls the mind and desensitizes people. I am guilty as anyone for watching violent movies, I'll happily admit that sometimes they give me a cheap thrill. The next morning I forget I've watched it, but ignorant and immature people can easily attach great significance to them. I think that morally the right thing would be to ban them all, and violent video games. I wouldn't protest about it, it would be small sacrifice to make. I'm not saying it's the answer to everything, that would be ludicrous, but by changing the sum of the parts eventually you start to change the whole. |
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I wonder if with how huge youtube, blogs, and smaller networks are if that element would just go underground and get more extreme. If that kind of censorship were imposed it might cause further dissension between the people and their government. I don't think the current culture would tolerate it. I dunno, it seems like the climate in the western world could go very 1984 in not too many years if the wrong things happened. One thing holding that back is the speed of information. We have the ability to be very informed about what is happening in our world, and still have the freedom to publicly dissent. If we want to call bullshit on George Bush, we can still do that. Things like the patriot act or an increase in censorship are the baby steps toward us handing those freedoms over. For me I think you have to change peoples minds through their hearts. The days of people responding to intimidation or force is long over. You have to find a way to sell them on change. |
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No seriously mate it has nout to do wit nuffin. They are not good in many ways but humanity has ALWAYS expressed a need for violence. Banning it will make it a dogey underground culture anyway. The type of people that are driven by games/tv are likely to be driven by worse things anyway. I do not agree however with the sheer amount of 7 year olds who i saw play games like vice city. I blame the parents |
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Glasse! post 00:44 [#02206528] was touching on something important in your quest! I will explain another time. BTW i also find youre a good guy to have around when trying to make a good point. PS i recon, like you say, that america is too free to accept and tolerate a 1984 and the bush admin is going now anyway, I fear for your country however for different reasons than UK. |
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But you have the intelligence to rise above it and not to be fooled into idolising it. I agree. If someone sees images on a screen and hasn't the intelligence to dissociate, then they are to blame, not the images on the screen. Violent images may desensitise people, but that doesn't mean it will turn them into thugs. |
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Yes! We are ALL influenced by all kids of things, the bad inffluences are always around. It could be someone trying to convince you the BNP would be good for this country, it could be hiphop encouraging shitty attitudes to sex and women. But it is the duty of everyone to evaluate influences and control them, it's not fair if you dont. Anyway Barcode, i just don't think violent films/games is really the issue at the centre of all this. There are other influences that are more concerning |
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Yeah, I already said that violent films/games is not the only thing, obviously - just a cog in the wheel. What I'm talking about is setting an example - how can you say to kids don't carry knives and guns, whilst at the same time allowing the sale of games/movies that glorify the violence of it. That's pure hypocrisy. To say humanity has ALWAYS expressed a need for violence is not a worthy statement. The fact is, violence is expressed by the minority suppressing, manipulating and violating the majority. Have you always expressed a need for violence? There are plenty of other ways of expending energy and aggression, and millions of people don't have a bad bone in their body - and 9 times out of 10 they are people who have been educated properly. You can't trivialise this, and you can't have it all your own way. If you're serious about cleaning up the streets or fostering a value system where violence is completely unacceptable or rare, then you have to start changing the mindset of people in every possible way - banning cruel and sadistic games and movies is certainly one avenue amongst many. |
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Yo. It's not that i think your wrong, but your not right! I can't ouright disaggree with what you are saying only it really isn't the point. I don't imagine getting rid of violent games now is going to change anything, even if it could of long ago. "To say humanity has ALWAYS expressed a need for violence is not a worthy statement." It is. Violence has been in such a massive percentage of the human stories told (through old writings to current entertainment) you can't possibly tell me that people don't somehow require it! C'mon! I used to have 'mates' that would play GTA vice city. You could see an ugliness in their eyes when it came to crushing a policeman. They once spent a whole day smoking weed and taking it in turns to find black people to beat up and shoot! Trust me i know what you mean, but that ugliness is there in tem anyway, They used to go around spraying BNP on walls before they even bothered with that game. You are right about influences and computer games (GTA!)/ films (Lock stock<--fucking badly influencial) contributing, but this is not what needs changing. My 'mates' playing vice city did not need the game taken away; they needed to feel disgusted at what they'd made the game into. That's the core of it, cos me and you could never feel right doing what they were doing, why is it that they don't care? What we need to do is not ban these things but use them as influence. They won't turn away from their ideas of fashion, but they will blindly follow a better one; one that gives them what they are looking without the shit. To be honest i dont feel they deserve it tho. Once you have stabbed a boy you don't know and laughed amongst your freinds at how he cried like a bitch, then you have become the enemy of everything our entire race has long fought to protect and nurture: HUMAN FUCKING DECENCY. Sorry for the rubbish spells, typed it quick. get backk to me this is fun |
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Humanity has of course expressed violence, that's been it's history. But if a huge percentage can live their life without violence, then so can the vast vast majority, it is achievable. I know what you're saying and agree with most of it. Banning games/movies is obviously a fairly cosmetic change - but whatever way you look at it, the availability of these types of media are still immoral within the value system we're trying to foster. You're right, that ugliness is already there, but why nurture it? At least encourage them to do something else that doesn't involve sitting on their boney arse beating up blacks via a computer console for entertainment. If that source of entertainment is withdrawn they will be forced to seek other sources of entertainment such as sports etc. which that may involve meeting people and lead to breaking down their prejudices and feeling of isolation and anonymity. It's very easy to bring the good out of people when they are accepted as having a value to society. I agree some people are lost causes, but I'm talking about the future. Parent and scholarly education, bringing up kids in a healthy environment, giving them choices. Parents really need to start being accountable for the children they bring into society etc. |
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