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offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-03-30 15:57 [#02189680]
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is there a way for it to not suck

help computer


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2008-03-30 16:08 [#02189685]
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sudo rm -rD *.*


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2008-03-30 16:09 [#02189686]
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or install windows xp


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2008-03-30 16:11 [#02189688]
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actually ignore me


 

offline freqy on 2008-03-30 16:57 [#02189719]
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on firefox? it freezes now n then i have to close and
restore session takes 3 secs. but 3 secs of annoyance.

they updated firefox twice , still wrecks man.

opera i think doesnt even like flash. why the freaking
helll dont they have all the plugins you need for the
internet on the instal cd..?

sudo your freaking life away.

linux could destroy windows but no one at linux used windows
so they havent a clue what we all miss.

like the option of delete if i right click for a the drop
down list ....or to be able to select multiple mp3 from a
folder with a lasoo on the mouse without having to hold
shift or whatever...simple little things that make life
easy.

or "you dont have permission to open this folder!!"

i freaking do !! search net how do i copy things to my
folder???
2 hours on linux forums. log in as root log out log in sudo
yourr freaking ****

otherwise linux is the best thing in the world


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-03-30 19:51 [#02189759]
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There is a fuklot of sudo, yes. It's starting to remind me
of Vista constantly asking for confirmation.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2008-03-31 11:43 [#02189887]
Points: 3372 Status: Lurker | Followup to fleetmouse: #02189759



just do a "sudo su" if you're on ubuntu and do it as root
like you can in a "proper" distro.

The official flash player binary blob is pretty decent but I
think it hogs the audio or something. The freeby open source
one has a delay between audio and video or something but
apart from that is better in my experience.

Despite the fact that linux desktop is still not as "easy"
as windows, I'm sticking with it because there are real
tangible improvements and stuff.
I just like the fact I get nerd bonus points for using it
and I can make shell scripts and stuff without using cygwin
and apt-get is sooo nice. blah blah

I just wish I could get a decent Atheros Wifi driver and
that the proper ATI driver didn't suck so much. (wtf I can
get wizzy graphics but not suspend/hibernate!?)

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offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-03-31 13:44 [#02189971]
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Ah, I forgot about the sudo su trick. That won't work for
graphical admin apps though, I think...? Because they don't
know or care that I'm su in a terminal shell unless I launch
them from it?

Linux is super nice despite some minor annoyances. Almost
everything that's wrong with it is because of lack of
support from third party software and hardware vendors.



 

offline hedphukkerr from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-03-31 13:57 [#02190002]
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"linux could destroy windows but no one at linux used
windows so they havent a clue what we all miss. "

yeah, all those people at linux. like, they all work
in a big building together. all the linux. no one at the
linux company ever used windows.

hehehehe.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2008-03-31 14:07 [#02190016]
Points: 3372 Status: Lurker | Followup to fleetmouse: #02189971



not that I'm stupid enough to do this, but couldn't you do
the following:
fire up a text console (Ctrl+Alt+F1 for example), then do a
sudo su, kill off the Xwindow server and then re-start it as
root so it effectively runs all apps loaded from Xwindows as
if root has run it.
(Actually as I write this I seem to think it may not work)

If you're running something like ubuntu where the root
account is "disabled", I guess you can get access to the
root account and login from the normal login screen.

You need to do the following:
sudo passwd

and now change the root password.

This has changed the password so now you can login as normal
as root with the password you just set. This means that
everything you do will have root priviledges.
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offline freqy on 2008-03-31 15:01 [#02190042]
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linux ubuntu will destroy xp once they stop talking about
sudu.....and opening terminals ...

just freaking double click on somthing make it work
......ERRGGG!!!

lets us live.


 

offline Sano on 2008-03-31 15:47 [#02190064]
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So it's worse than Workbench 3.1 then.



 

offline oxygenfad from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2008-04-01 03:41 [#02190219]
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Once Ubuntu gets it shit together and form some sort of
eleet driver writing team, it might actually see more
users.

In the meantime, my wifi card,line 6 usb sound
card,playstation to usb adaptor, web cam,GBA rom writer, M-
Audio Oxygen8, and basically anything else I use with my
computer won't work.
Which is too bad because I really like this OS.



 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2008-04-01 06:25 [#02190227]
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(latest) Opera works ok with flash video on ubuntu, tested
it for many hours without crashing.

There is still something wrong with Firefox (and other
mozilla browsers) using flash on Linux.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-04-02 21:42 [#02190841]
Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to dave_g: #02190016



I used your sudo passwd tip and also found a config setting
that enables me to log straight in as root. This is
massively excellent because then I can run the jack server
and audio apps as root for low latency, without having to
fuck around with command lines.

O-fad, I was completely surprised that the most recent
Ubuntu supports all my junk out of the box, including my
M-audio card. The thing is, for Windows, the hardware
manufacturers write all the drivers, not Microsoft. Ubuntu
works amazingly well considering almost all of the drivers
are written by volunteers. But it sounds like you have some
pretty specialized hardware there.

Laserbeak, I will have to give Linux Opera a shot. The
performance of Flash in Firefox is just pathetic.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2008-04-03 10:13 [#02190992]
Points: 3372 Status: Lurker | Followup to fleetmouse: #02190841



You don't need to run those audio progs as root. You need to
be a member of the audio group I believe. This should give
you low latency. I think it's not quite as low as root, but
a lot safer. It might be worth a shot.



 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-04-03 12:01 [#02191033]
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Heh, safety. I'm not going to accidentally type rm -rf / in
a terminal while I'm making music. If I were that stupid I
would have destroyed windows system after windows system
where I'm always "root" by default.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2008-04-03 13:07 [#02191042]
Points: 3372 Status: Lurker | Followup to fleetmouse: #02191033



Well it's up to you, but running the whole gui as root means
that when that applet on the desktop decides to crash and
do a silly you run the risk of it blatting your boot image
or something nasty.

Wouldn't it be easier to give the jack server and whatever
you use for audio root permissions. I think you should be
able to do this using a simply chown to root and chmod 4755
(set the stick bit). This means program will run with owner
(root) permissions independant of who runs it.
This is quite a nice way of doing it.

Running everything as root should be avoided. You might not
do a rm -rf by mistake, but there are plenty of mistakes you
can make and you _will_ make them. sooner or later the human
condition catches up with you...


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2008-04-03 13:19 [#02191045]
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I don't have big issues with Flash. I use the Flashblock
extension so the objects don't load until I click them.
Maybe there is a small memory leak compounded by the fact
that lots of advertisements are using Flash these days.

You're not using 64 bit Linux are you? That's a different
can of worms.


 

offline jkd from Twitch City (Canada) on 2008-04-03 13:29 [#02191047]
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Don't feel bad, Linus himself can't get it to work.
LAZY_TITLE


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-04-03 13:48 [#02191050]
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Forks are pretty dangerous too. You can stab yourself in the
eyeball accidentally.

Perverted Whale: long time no see! I tried it in Opera
hoping it was just an interaction with Firefox that made it
suck, but no. It mostly works OK, just uses lots more CPU in
fullscreen mode than in Windows and gets all jerky.


 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2008-04-03 14:55 [#02191073]
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- maybe there's something wrong with your video acceleration
setup, i know it's very slow in vesa mode.
- try turning off possible eyecandy windowmanager stuff

just tested: on my windowsxp/firefox 3b5 (Athlon64 3000+)
fullscreen youtube uses 100% cpu and about 50% windowed.
Flash is the worst performing video decoder i've ever
seen... I wish youtube and similar sites would use something
else


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-04-03 16:42 [#02191108]
Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to Laserbeak: #02191073



Yeah it is a shit and eats lots of cpu on Windows on the
same machine but at least the picture doesn't stutter in
fullscreen like in Linux.

I installed the proper Nvidia driver for my video card in
Linux- is there something else I need to do to make it shot
web?


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2008-04-03 16:50 [#02191109]
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Just curious, what framerate do you get from running
glxgears in fullscreen?


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-04-03 16:55 [#02191111]
Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to Inverted Whale: #02191109



1323 frames in 5.0 seconds = 264.547 FPS
1326 frames in 5.0 seconds = 265.006 FPS
1322 frames in 5.0 seconds = 264.371 FPS
1310 frames in 5.0 seconds = 261.832 FPS
1305 frames in 5.0 seconds = 260.828 FPS
1250 frames in 5.0 seconds = 249.969 FPS

Is that complete suck?


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2008-04-03 17:12 [#02191112]
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That's pretty bad. I'm getting 290 FPS with a bargain
basement ATI HD 2400 XL at my desk here. I'm able to run
full screen flash without stuttering though.

I have an Nvidia 7300 GS on my HTPC and I'll run a test
there in a little while. The 7300 GS is a pretty low-end
card. What kind of card do you have in your setup?

You are using the proprietary graphics driver in Ubuntu,
right? Just wanted to check.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-04-03 17:18 [#02191114]
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It's a Geforce 6600, which I suppose is not much of a card.
Still, it's happier in Windows.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2008-04-03 17:20 [#02191115]
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Oh yeah, and AFAIK it's using the proprietary driver. I
tried adding option renderaccel true in xorg.conf and it
didn't make a difference.


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2008-04-03 17:30 [#02191123]
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It's an older card but I would imagine it should still have
some life in it. The tuning parameter that had the most
dramatic performance impact for me with nvidia was Option
TripleBuffer true, but that was primarily for OpenGL
performance. Not sure if it helps general performance. At
this point continue consulting the Google oracle, the stock
xorg.conf you get with Ubuntu rarely gives you the best
performance.


 


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