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Some very cool new tricks, including shifting individual notes in a chord, and one-click scale changes. http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna |
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I got a chubby when I was reading about this earlier. I want it!!! |
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Can't wait to use it. That is pretty much the holy grail of sample music right there. |
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Some many uses, so little time... |
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how the hell does that work? |
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Detecting multiple pitches and notes within a chord must have been a crazy technical accomplishment. He sure deserves his beard. But yeah, the possibilities are endless with it. Whole new melody and rhymic structures from a single chord sample. I've long wanted to use samples in the same way I use midi, so this is just perfect for me. I want to use it now. |
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i hav melodtgfdg 3.0 )(not plugin anf it pisses me off to no end |
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yeah man i think he went from, wierd melodyne guy with a beard, to genius mastermind with a beard |
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This is amazing I love you melodyne. |
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neat |
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fantastic! this is literally the stuff of dreams! but will it work with ANY sound material - I mean really, how the hell can it? Will it be able to handle Boards of Canada? |
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The examples are very simple waveforms. When you perform a fourier transform of these to see all the spectral components, it must be quite "easy" to isolate each frequency component as it changes over time. This is because most of the change will be in amplitude, rather than frequency. I think this technology will not be able to track complex changing waveforms as easily, ie where frequency components don't move relative to each other, but cross over, fade in and out and generally do more "random" stuff. The DSP technology can do most of the pitch shifting, frequency analysis, etc quite easily. The clever part is working out how all the frequency components relate together. It's interesting that the demo shows stuff that's been multitracked, i.e. just one type of sound. I think this software would REALLY struggle if you tried to use it on a mixdown where there are multiple sounds all going off together. Musically it would probably create interesting results when used on a complex mixdown, but for use as a sonic scalpel I think you guys might be disappointed. You should perform some FFTs of simple chords yourself if you're interested. If you can get a decent realtime FFT algorithm running with say >1024 points you should be able to see how the various spectral components work toghether. Then try it again with a full song! I've studied digital signal processing as part of my electronics degree and can have a go at trying to explain this to some extent if people are really that interested. I think you should look up fourier transforms on the internet and try some realtime analysis yourself. Programs like soundforge, cooledit, etc should be able to do this I think. |
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no i dont think it is fft. it's magic |
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i don't believe in magic. it is god who seperates the individual notes from the chords! hail! |
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that guys like Rasputin or something |
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was about to post about this. 'tis incredible :) |
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oh that's so annyoing. my degree course didn't cover magic. Is there a bonus feature on a Harry Potter DVD or something? Maybe it uses elusive's magic non base 2 binary ;) |
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hey im interested. i'd like to maybe work on these kind of technology professionally. since at suck at the music making. Im sure fourier analysis is a must but i doubt knowing the formal theory is enough to go into signal processing. |
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A decent book is "A digital signal processing primer with applications to digital audio and computer music" by Ken Steiglitz. ISBN 0-8053-1684-1 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Signal-Processing-Primer-Ap plications/dp/0805316841 If you want to get into signal processing, you need to learn programming in a language like C and know the theory behind algorithms and things. I'm not really an expert in computer software DSP, the only real world experience I've seen is with embedded DSP in instrumentation. I'd imagine you'd be better of asking on usenet groups or forums or somewhere were VST people hang out might be a good start. |
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This is great, you hardly have to listen, remember or imagine to make things fit together. It will be a key technology in preventing people from creating exciting new juxtapositions of sounds. |
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Depends on how it's used surely? |
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You silly romantic. |
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You can express everything... Your Own Way... MEEDEE |
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that's cool thank you, but i'm more interested in the maths of it, since i'm a mathematician, and I just started a master in mathematical science and i'm not sure where i'm headed. i do plan to take programming courses somewhen in the future but it's not a priority right now. is there's something i should like, try to learn mathwise to get into this kind of thing on a developement level? |
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yes, ass kissing. |
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well, you know, it could be base anything, that is, if there's any base at all... oh my |
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Skink: you could say the same thing about a taser. This is a taser for the spirit. Another decade of tasering and spirit itself will stink. fabien: you say that like romance is a bad thing. Barbecue is romantic. Food pills are practical. Melodyne will turn all music into a jigsaw puzzle where all the pieces are the same color and shape. |
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If you're good at maths then DSP theory should be a doddle. You need to learn about Z transforms, the Z plane, complex numbers and all that jazz. You should read up on dirac delta transforms, fast fourier series, infinite impulse and finite impulse filters (IIR/FIR), impulse responses, convolution. That sort of stuff. It might not appear in a maths textbook, but it is almost entirely maths! You should know about poles and zeros on the Z plane and how they map to magnitude and phase responses for various systems. These things are probably applied mathematics rather than pure maths. You might need to do a bit of background reading on basic filter transfer functions and basic fourier series. Basically the 3 main parts of DSP are: FFTs, digital filters (IIR or FIR) and convolution. Let me know if you want any more info. I can probably get a load of notes if you're really interested in it. Bear in mind it's from an electronics degree, so there might be some things you're not totally familiar with. |
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Of course romance is a bad thing. It makes you sad. It makes you want to have a nice meal and it makes you sad if you can't have it. It makes your art a truthful expression of your inner self. It's individualistic and boring. I like the idea of food pills for convenience, but I also like gastronomy as an artform. And of course I enjoy barbecues, because at heart I'm a romantic who doesn't want to be. |
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Okay that's awesome. |
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i guess a course in complex analysis should cover a lot of those depending on who's giving it. and maybe i'll try to get someone to give a seminar for the rest. |
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Romance is exciting for the romantic but boring for people watching the romantic, which is something one must take into consideration if one intends to exist primarily as a spectacle. |
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That's pretty much it yes. Thank you I feel healthier. |
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