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offline freqy on 2008-03-09 16:08 [#02183488]
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almost all data degrades and deteriorates .

so all the music we love one day will no longer be.

right?or wrong?.

tell me please this is not so.



 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2008-03-09 16:15 [#02183491]
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think you won't mind from your next life?

hi freqy =)


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2008-03-09 16:26 [#02183494]
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It's definitely so, though in our information's case it
won't be a result of deterioration, but rather,
obliteration. ^_-



 

offline freqy on 2008-03-09 16:26 [#02183496]
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yellow mo :P

well there is so much great music and video out there on
peoples hard drives and shelves at home ..but all of it is
deteriorating...some very slowly some quite quickly..

no matter how many copies are made or copies of copies the
data can only become less like the original.

a trillion years from now how will say the 'matrix' or
starwars look or sound? will it be messed up very noisy ? a
trillion years is a looong time.



 

offline freqy on 2008-03-09 16:28 [#02183498]
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obliteration? do you mean from meteors or comets smashing
into earth before we have chance to defend the planet from a
strike and preserve our knowledge/data?


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2008-03-09 16:31 [#02183501]
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you're completely right. if all data decreases in quality
instantly on creation, then it will always become obsolete

christ that's profoud freqy. good job


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2008-03-09 16:57 [#02183514]
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"no matter how many copies are made or copies of copies the
data can only become less like the original. "

Not in the least. If that were the case then file-sharing
and torrents wouldn't work. Actually computers wouldn't
work at all.


 

offline freqy on 2008-03-10 07:59 [#02183672]
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every medium we store data on degrades over time and can
have errors when writing and reading. so eventually over
time the original data will change.

is that true to say?



 

offline PORICK from fucking IRELAND on 2008-03-10 08:27 [#02183677]
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it's called hard disk failure and it sucks balls.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-03-10 08:39 [#02183679]
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Is music data?


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2008-03-10 08:43 [#02183680]
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you're talking about degrading of the physical medium.

everything that can be broken down/represented by values,
and reassembled into an exact copy can be considered data.

my nuts on your chin, however ... is not considered data.


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2008-03-10 08:44 [#02183681]
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what is that old rap song, with the wall-nuts, chin-nuts
intro?



 

offline diamondtron on 2008-03-10 09:44 [#02183698]
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just buy vinyl, it's big, fun and lasts a lifetime
also it produces a positive social infrastructure
look at the state of things these days compared to 92
humanity is just gonna carry on deteriorating


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2008-03-10 11:54 [#02183742]
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Every time I play a record it degrades and while that is
somewhat saddening, it's not totally awful. If old things
were good as new they just wouldn't be the same. I guess
it's natural for things used more often to degrade.

Digital data can of course be backed up. It can have hamming
codes to detect and correct errors. Theoretically it could
last a very long time with the correct infrastructure to
support it.

There's just something about those old clicks and pops on
Dad's LPs that make them so much better than the remastered
CD version.

I think it's good for data to degrade. In a few hundred
years do you think people would be interested in every crap
homemade IDM track, every idiotic facebook post or blog
entry. If something is worthy it will survive.



 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2008-03-10 12:12 [#02183744]
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there's just something about shit music.


 

offline impakt from where we do not speak of! on 2008-03-10 13:15 [#02183773]
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optical storage.


 

offline impakt from where we do not speak of! on 2008-03-10 13:18 [#02183774]
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forgot to add "holographic"


 

offline Mr Brazil from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2008-03-10 13:23 [#02183776]
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Do you mean
this?

Maybe it will be the next version of High Definition?


 

offline freqy on 2008-03-10 15:11 [#02183798]
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The digital Dark Age is a term used to describe a possible
future situation where it will be difficult or impossible to
read historical documents, because they have been stored in
an obsolete digital format. This could cause the period
around the turn of the 21st century to be comparable to the
Dark Ages during the Middle Ages in the sense that there
will be a relative lack of written record. The term is not
limited to text documents, but applies equally to photos,
video, audio and other kinds of electronic documents.


 

offline freqy on 2008-03-10 15:16 [#02183800]
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i jumped the gun a bit there :/ this is refering to obsolete
file formats and hardware. haha dont have nightmares



 

offline freqy on 2008-03-10 15:22 [#02183804]
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Physical deterioration

The first challenge digital preservation faces is that the
media on which digital contents stand are more vulnerable to
deterioration and catastrophic loss. While acid paper are
prone to deterioration in terms of brittleness and
yellowness, the deterioration does not become apparent in at
least six decades; and when the deterioration really
happens, it happens over decades too. It is also highly
possible to retrieve all information without loss after
deterioration is spotted. The recording media for digital
data deteriorate at a much more rapid pace, and once the
deterioration starts, in most cases there is already data
loss. This characteristic of digital forms leaves a very
short time frame for preservation decisions and actions.


 


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