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offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2008-03-09 11:03 [#02183410]
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global warming is an obvious side effect to the amount of
shit we've been burning the past hundred or so years

i mean just look what an oil spill will do to a beach

think of that but in our sky. something's gotta give.

and to believe otherwise is frankly quite dangerous


 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2008-03-09 11:45 [#02183418]
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while I'm on the "pro" side here, I don't see this oil spill
analogy working, it's not about pollution but certain
runaway effects in the atmosphere.

Actually I'm more worried about the rampant destruction of
the environment than a sea-level rise or temperature
change... For example, take the argument for the coral reefs
(that they will be wiped out by change in temperature): I'm
sorry, but eco systems will be able to handle things in the
long run. There isn't any reason to protect one particular
image of what nature should be like. Species will adapt. But
of course they won't keep up at our pace if we destroy all
the wild habitats in the next couple of decades.


 

offline mimi on 2008-03-09 11:49 [#02183419]
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are you for real dude

the usa was not isolationist before ww2, go look at the
monroe doctrine


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2008-03-09 11:52 [#02183420]
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let's face it. not enough people give a shit

many say they do but they don't honestly give a fuck. you
could probably even call me one of those. it's bad but part
of me wants disaster. i think they've been teasing us with
it for too long now. something deep down in me wants an epic
fuck up. for it all to come crashing down and to feel all
things at once. i think only in a situation like that can
you really define yourself. in a world of confusion people
fucking crave it.
what we really want is often nothing like what we say.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2008-03-09 13:02 [#02183432]
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How does the the monroe doctrine disprove Americas
isolationism prior to ww2?

hereUnited States non-interventionism


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2008-03-09 13:09 [#02183433]
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I guess non-interventionism would be a better term. Im not
in favor of Protectionism.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-03-09 13:19 [#02183435]
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Sure, they're not in the control of a handful of do-gooders,
but that isn't the problem. The problem is the small amount
of do-gooders (a handful). The problem could be in the hands
of thousands upon thousands of do-gooders, but they're so
complacent they wouldn't know how to fuck if they didn't
have porn.

"The fickle fingers of fate are often the only thing in
control."

What is fate if not a conveniently placed pillow?

"The result of that was not in the control of anyone in
America."

You are aware that most relations are reciprocal,
right? You are aware of the concept of international
relations and diplomacy?

There's a reason why you're worried about China, and it's
not because you have been sitting on your hands while the
Chinese have been doing lots of stuff: You've been
interacting with them.

"The demise of America or less green house gasses? "

Not mutually exclusive, but I do not wish for anyone's
demise.



 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-03-09 13:24 [#02183437]
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"Also, Many scientists believe the earth goes through
natural
warming and cooling patterns. Why did we choose to listen
to
the group that thinks that warming is man made and not part
of the natural cyclical pattern of the earth temp?"

First of all: Almost all scientists believe the earth goes
through natural warming and cooling patterns. It's the basis
for the current assumption; the natural patterns are regular
and predictable. Current level of gas and temperature is a
deviation from this pattern.

We choose to listen to that group because their theory best
explains all observed phenomena using known scientific
concepts and with fewer ad-hoc hypotheses.


 

offline cx from Norway on 2008-03-09 13:29 [#02183440]
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because greenhouse gases are real and there is more of it
now than ever i think


 

offline cx from Norway on 2008-03-09 13:32 [#02183441]
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oops didnt see page 2

ieither way.. bogala.. how long do you think humanity will
be able to sustain peace, control and above all some kind of
order, in this way of living?

what with overpopulation on the horizon, terrorists, nuclear
weapons , china, oil, enormous resource spending and all
that jazz.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-03-09 13:35 [#02183443]
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"In the United States, non-interventionism has often been
confused with isolationism.
"


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2008-03-09 14:52 [#02183463]
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God I just lost a decent sized reply. Fuck

fuck it. I'm done now.


 

offline revpersona from Plainfield (United States) on 2008-03-09 18:18 [#02183554]
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Good I hope the price keeps rising so these idiot economists
wake up as well as Americans that are in the dark. These
rising prices are attributed to mainly two things:

Refineries
INFLATION*******


 


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