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just had one (my 2nd ever) lasted 25 minutes thought i was gonna die. still suspect i will lol. fucking hell seriously pls i dun wanna go throu that again |
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I had them a while back - found it hard to breathe, hyperventilated, got pins and needles in my hands, couldn't handle thoughts...I was on holiday with a friend's family when it first happened, and I didn't know what they were, so I thought I couldn't breathe properly and was going insane. They just thought I was an idiot. |
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I got picked up by the paramedics in January because of an attack. Since then I've been told it's really common, espec. among young adults. Maybe they're just called Heart Attacks when you're properly matured. Question: what thoughts are you having when you feel an "attack" coming on? Are they distinctly related to anything? |
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i live w/ constant panic attacks, paranoia & vertigo. my brother thinks i should smoke more marijuana. |
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Did any thoughts or events in particular bring this episode on? I've also had 2 panic attacks. First one was strange... I'm always pretty stressed and nervous and that was a tough year, but I was having a nice stroll across campus when my first hit, which I was sure at the time was a heart attack. Weird timing, it didn't occur to me to be a panic attack because I was generally in good spirits before that. Second one was brought on by medication that really played havoc with my body. I knew it was coming and my aunt told me to stick my head in the freezer, which actually made me feel better. |
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starting about two years ago i have had panic attacks on a pretty consistent one-or-two-per-month basis. its not fun but ive learned how to deal with them at this point. the best cure ive found has been cigarettes, beer, and cartoons (simpsons, futurama etc.) weed will only help me if im not high when panicking - otherwise it will prolly make it worse. also, having someone around who knows what youre going through helps a lot - about a week ago i had one at about 4 am, and luckily jessie/tragedy was online and she talked me down from it. |
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yes i totally know what brought it on, and now im gona avoid the situation completely |
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dont mean to say similar situations wont trigger it off. its really fucked me over badly |
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i had some bad ones in the past. , it will help. |
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sometimes i think i can control my heart rate which makes it beat so quick i cant slow it down.......this was years ago, im o.k now as i dont abuse my body in the world i live. 6.35am still not asleep hence strange post.. |
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i've had one before when i drank way too much red bull. it lasted about 20 minutes. i was just sat there silently thinking 'oh my god, this is it, i am actually going to die now. i can't fucking believe it' nasty things they are. sort of life affirming at the same time |
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guys i think i'm seeing a pattern here. idm = panic attacks / general uneasiness |
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Haven't had one in years... Used to though, so you have my full sympathy! |
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Used to have daily panic attacks in my early 20s, brought on from drug use I suspect - they are just about the most horrendous things and because I kept it to myself for about 2 months before telling anyone (and finding out they were panic attacks), I also thought I was going insane. |
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I learnt about panic attacks in one of my lectures yesterday. Panic disorders can occur with or without agoraphobia. It's when you are suddenly and repeatedly overwhelmed with brief attacks of terror. There are 2 types.. uncued (appears spontaneously) and cued (when you can identify the trigger event). Genuine panic attacks are uncued, where they just come on completely randomly, and you have no idea what caused it, whereas cued ones are sometimes seen as being more like a phobia to the thing that caused it, because it was your reaction to that thing, rather than a period of spontaneous terror. |
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Well I'm very sorry tohear that Horsey. I had panic attacks and agoraphobia constantly for at least 5 years, I remember very clearly my first one in Peckham Safeway in the queue, I was just thinking "Come on, get going... bit quicker.. oh god please hurry up.. HURRY UP... what's happening, I'M GOING TO DIE" and then the 5 minute journey home took about half an hour as I kept stopping waiting for it to pass, which it never did. From then on I was in a pretty much constant state of "feeling weird", thinking I was going mad, unwilling to travel 5 minutes out of the house, which every day would peak in several full on panic attacks, the not breathing, the unreality, the feeling your going mad, the need to get back home to your "safe place". The weirdest stage was the "body dissassociation", when you feel like an alien in a human body, like a bag of meat and gristle.That passed quickly though. TWO THINGS THOUGH: Generally, avoiding the situation (well, depending on what it was, if it was taking certain drugs or something then no,don't do it) to avoid panic attacks is playing into the state of panic attacks. If you have them regularly you have to think not "What if I have an attack..." but "When I have an attack, I'm going to say Ok, this is a panic attack, I've had them before, I'm not dying, I'm not going mad, I know what it is and it will pass". Secondly, some people just have one or two, as shown in this here thread, and never again. But in the very unfortunate circumstances that one had them regularly, and it seems like "Fuck, my life is fucked", even for years, you can get over it. If I'd sought help earlier I think I'd have got over it a lot quicker, the general GP doctor's are pretty useless with things like this, I found MIND were really helpful. |
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i have them so bad i'm house bound most of the time unless i'm on klonopin or am drunk or at least buzzed. |
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tjis is exactly how i feel when i have them! but to be honest i've only had a little over a handful in my life,m and havnt had one in years... becvause i wont put myself in a situation where i might have one... but when i did, i felt like my body was someone elses too... like i didn't know how to use it sort of... when i touched something i felt like i was touching it 5 times or like my hnad was going to go through it. and the depersonalization was terrible! If any of my friends were around whilst having one, and they talked to me i thought they were trying to make it worse or somemthing. |
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Ohhh, grim. I'm sorry to hear that. I remember sitting in an office meeting when I was going through that disassociation stage and looking at everyone and seeing bags of meat with eyes, but really, it really was a strong sensation not just a notion, I felt like what a serial killer must feel, though I must admit I was compos mentis enough not to batter them all to death with the overhead projector. |
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i have had a few many years ago, plus a few minor ones since then, but I've noticed that if I avoid certain stressful situations or lifestyle choices, they simply do not occur... of course, sometimes things like that seem to 'just happen', but even then, usually there's some background baggage just waiting for the right moment to hit. i've given up caffeine, that's one real cause of stress and spontaneous heart and panic attacks |
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The way you desribe it is quite accurate, SlipDrinkMats. I've had them too for quite some time - mainly due to a heave period of drug experimentation, studying philosophy and totally losing yourself in it and a 'natural' scepticism and insecurity towards reality itself. Fuckin' existentialist madness, (zz.) Nowadays my mind doesn't have to endure that much anymore, :). In your last sentence you are saying "I found MIND were really helpful. " What are these things and how did you get rid of them eventually? The 'funny thing' about panic attacks is that at the moment of occuring they are being experienced as the most life altering experiences imaginable, while in fact they are really quite harmless. For me, that particular insight eventually led to the demise of those fucking attacks. |
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had them since a month before my 18th, i'm 31 now lost jobs, the only girl i have ever truly loved, but worse still the confidence to enjoy many ordinary pastimes i took for granted before. i mainly found that travelling was extremely difficult and as a result i sadly lost contact with many friends over the years. had counselling and hypnotherepy... neither of which worked. i took seroxat for nearly 8 years which gave me back certain aspects of my life, such as work, socialising comfortably and being able to travel again, but since stopping medication (because of too many side affects)have reverted back to the worst i've had it. the worst being an hour and a half journey from Luton to Chelmsford after a day out of golf, my hands crippled with pins and needles and i could barely talk because i was so short of breathe (scaring the shit out of my mates as i'm normally a loud mouth) i'm the panic attack king! |
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Right, yeah, I can blame myself too really for starting them off, at the time I was working full-time in a bar doing crazy shifts, not really sleeping inbetween, partying with the other kids at the work, living with artists and the like, reading all sorts... like one doctor said you can be like an elastic band, that you stretch and stretch until you snap back. MIND is a UK based mental health charity, I just used to go for an hour a week to talk to a counsellor, but he was quite helpful. But I too remember having as well one particular insight that really was the begining of the end of the attacks and fear of attacks, and that was just some random scientific paper I found on the Internet where this woman said not to think "Oh god what if I have an attack..." but "When I have an attack, you already know what it is, you know the symptoms, you know it'll pass", so by not having that "Oh god what if what if" fear, which of course only feeds and indeed triggers an attack, I felt almost immediate improvements. It did take time though, but little by little, and without drugs as well, they never seemed to do much for me. I think it is really a question of attitutde, and getting back to living in reality, in the moment and the flux of past and future. I think the existentialism you mention is key, I think it can both help and be unhelpful. You get stuck in this godless, narrow "present", as ifyou were trapped between the glass of past and future and you're just thinking "How do I feel now? Am I Ok? How do I fee now, am I OK? How do I feel now?" constantly, like a computer. Well, in my experience. Ten years on, I still feel occassionally that sensation that tells you one could come on, but now it's like getting hiccups, trapped wind or sneezing, it comes and goes without interfering in your life. |
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Oh fuck, you are indeed the King, all hail. The strange thing, I find, is the amount of people that do have them and yet you hardly ever hear that much about it. |
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yeah i've noticed that, however my theory (well if you're as self conscious as me) is that it's quite a debilitating affliction and can be quite embarrassing sharing experiences with people. over the years i've had a few people say to me that they had a panic attack and i have discussed it sharing what i know, with advice of how to combat it and people have seemed shocked to find out i suffered with them, even if i had been around them when having one. |
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for rtarded people to have fear is intense and creative. totally colapsed by the influence of love,lol. |
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thankyou for your comments i feel pretty rough today bit shaky, but its nice to not feel so alone when u know other ppl have experienced the same. |
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i used to think i could control my heart rate or make the beats very intense or stop.(like that bloke who can) ...every time i feel this way my heart races off uncontrollably so i suppose i cant. or maybei can just speed them up? As the hippy from the young ones once said: "i don't abuse my body ,in the world I live" that helps :P |
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www.cymbalta.com |
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it seems like everyone in this board have had a panic attack. i have never had one luckely.i have my struggle with ocd though but i manage. |
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If you guys get chronic panic attacks ask about Lorazapam. Of course a poppy tea might help too and you don't need a scrip. |
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what i got are peace attacks! |
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i've had a few picnic attacks |
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I had panic attacks several times a day for about a year. I even moved home to my parents cause i could't stand living alone anymore. But i have councured it now . I bought a book called "no panic" . And reading it almost instantly made me better. The key to panic attacks is actualy breathing . What many doesn't know is that what triggers the attack in the begining is hyperventilation. You are probably not even avare that you are hyper ventilating (caused by stress or other things) but it sends the wrong signals to your brain wich triggers a " run for your life/ defence " mode wich is a primal thing left from the early days of homo sapiens. The feeling of not getting any oxygen is actualy caused by getting to much oxygen . The natural carbon dioxide vs oxygen balance in your blood is fucked. You can also feel a pain or pressure in your cheast The key to overcome this is to breathe in a more eastern way where you slowly breathe in with your nose and breath with your stomach and not with your cheast. You will find this is like taking nice chill pill when in the middle of an attack. A shitload of things happens in your body when your in the "run/defend" mode. Imagine a caveman suddenly being attacked by a lion. Blood moves from places like the stomach (wich he don't need in this moment) and out to the muscles (wich causes nausia , i used to feel sick and puke when i had attacks) Blood moves from your brain and that combined with the adrenaline makes it hard to think rational and there is nothing there to be afraid of so your brain starts to make up shit ( i used to get very hypocondric and thought i was gonna die in cancer) . Basicly you feel you are going insane. Blood moves from the skinn fingers and toes so you don't bleed as much if injured (hence the pailness , got pins and needles in hands) Heart starts beating faster . You start sweating more wich also has a survival purpose , you get slippery and hard to catch and the body is cooled down so it don't get over |
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heated. vinuls Also your pupils are dialated to let in more light wich can make you see unclear and have spots in your vision. All these changes in your body takes lots of energi so you are often exhausted after the attack . So next time you feel the ol panic creeping up on you from behind emedietly start slowing down your breathing with the nose stomach method and remember this is all a basic reaction triggered by yourself AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DIE!! Even if you should fail calming yourself down your nerv system has a like a mergency stop that shuts down the "run / defence " machanism in your body automaticly. |
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i've had a few too, in the last months, all related to bad people and bad hash. |
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''The key to overcome this is to breathe in a more eastern way where you slowly breathe in with your nose and breath with your stomach and not with your cheast. You will find this is like taking nice chill pill when in the middle of an attack.'' So true. Most of us don't breathe right anyway. I've tried to change my breathing ways but I'm too lazy to do it. Too lazy to BREATHE. |
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had a coupla "paranoia" attacks. met a guy in colombia in a hotel, a guitar player. started playing guitar and drinking beers, talking. then the next day he invited in his house, 2 hours from the town by bus, then two hours from the road by walk. on the way i started thinking "wait... i'm in the middle of the jungle, at night, with a guy i've known less than 24 hours ago, i have no idea how to get back to the road, i totally depend on him" after one hour i asked him how long we'd still have to walk and he said "i'm not telling you" - then i started to go crazy in my head, making movies and starting to believe them. after a while i told him i was scared (couldn't handle it), he hugged me and said i was a frightened kid (in a bad way cause he was offended). i was reassured so we continued the walking and finally got to his house. his girlfriend was there, candles were lit (no electricity), she cooked something while we rolled a spliff and we had dinner. the next days he was only talking about how much his french friend had helped him building the roof and about what he wanted to do next (a mosaic on the floor), and i started to go paranoid again, from times to times, thinking he only invited me to help him for the works, when we went in the jungle to collect some fruits i paid attention to what machete he gave me and thought "at least i've got a blade too", i thought the soup was poisonned and started making plans about how to kill him, in order to prevent him from killing me. when i got to this point i decided to tell him i'd go back to the city because i realized how much i was going nuts. on the other hand we recorded a couple of tracks very beautiful - he's the best musician i've ever played with (i think he was a harmony and jazz teacher a few months per year, in bogota). |
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Does anyone have sleep apnea? When i fall asleep i stop breathing, so i wake up every minute, in lack of oxygen. I once spent 2 consecutive nights without sleeping because of that. Was fucking tired but didn't even want to try to sleep again. |
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doesn't sound too good |
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Yeah i can relate to that constant feeling of " What the hell am i doing here ? , who are these people ? " that goes with the anxiety syndrome. |
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thing is, now with this form of yoga i have to breath with my chest again, which means expanding the back of your chest |
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Weed has given me panic attacks |
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I had my first one recently I was taking a piss, feeling fine and happy, then as I flush I suddenly felt like I was on viccodin (I think viccodin is shitty so no it was not good), I started feeling really hot, then suddenly my heart beat was in my ears, getting louder and slower, untill there was just a single loud bang. I stood there trying to figure out if my heart had just stopped, layed down listening to my pulse, waitng for my arm to go numb. And finally everything was fine again. |
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