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Hi, has anybody tried PD with a tenori-on as a midi controller? I think that Monome is the best for PD, but I'm a Toshio Iwae fan... LOVEPD |
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hey is puredata like max? i have heard of that, where can i get a copy? is it easyer than max? |
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pure data is an opensource program from cycling74's family, its totally freee, but it's quite complicated. I've been workin' on it for two months learning by the internet and i'm very, very happy with the results, maths, music and video, Three as one. It's the most powerful tool I have ever used. Now I understand Lps like DRAFT 7.30 |
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Please, do tell.... How has working with PD allowed you to understand Draft 7.30? What is it that your understand now that you didnt understand before? |
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can someone who totally sucked at high school level math understand one of these programs alone without spending a month wage in a course? im talking about max/msp too, which i never tried. |
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Just ignore gl0tch. He's an Xltronic NPC. He's programmed to get upset if someone knows more IDMs than him. Intelligence: 8 Strength: 5 IDM: 20 Charisma: 3 |
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Soundboard: 100000000 |
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Whatever. I was just curious about that. I wasnt being sarcastic. |
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Curiosity: 4 Sarcasm: 0 |
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Kill yourself. |
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lol |
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this thread should be closed now |
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ahahahah |
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but nobody answered me yet =/ |
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I'd say yes. Max documentation is superb and the open source community surrounding PD is huge. |
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k, then i think i'm gonna erase things i've been making with countless progs and restart everything from scratch. installing max msp as the only audio app. let's see if i'm intelligent enough to handle it properly. thanks for answering, gl0tch. |
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sure thing. What version do you plan on using? |
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dunno.. is there a particular version you would advice me? |
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go as up to date as you can "acquire." 4.5+ Max version 5 is coming out and looks quite nice |
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i'll try and seriously consider to buy if it grows on me =) i'm just sick of downloading gigs of stuff i don't even use. |
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with patience, Max could give you everything you need. |
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well i like working with reaktor, i am happy with my synths and other creations, iv thought about getting into MAX but something stops me, maybe because i know its too much work, im too lazy damn it |
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so i take it ableton live is a newbie program then? like youre not a true harddcore electronic musician if you dont know max programming and the iinside an out of a computer? |
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sounds about right. |
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damn im not worthy of posting here then, gl0tch use your superior computer skills to erradicate me from this messageboard!!!!!! |
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why are you saying that, nobody did. i've tweaked with such programs for years and no i'm not good enough with those, either. im just curious, to try, thats all. |
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no im like larn, too lazy, i bet you work realllly hard gl0tch, props. |
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yeah i tried it once and i didnt know how to make a noise, it looked alot like audiomulch though. and audiomulch is fun. |
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yeah, I'm just fucking with you pulsey. I've used both approaches, DAW and modular programming stuff. Sometimes I say to myself, why reinvent the wheel.... Sometimes I feel like I need to make the mother of all interface thingies where the software and the song are indistinguishable. |
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FWIW, I havent picked up Max in a few years. I actually have found Reason to kind of be the best of both worlds. |
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does MAX come with a good manual? |
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yeah ableton gets too like hip hop oriented, although the new slicing abilites is cool for drum programming, but the whole session/arrangement thing is kind of annoying after a while. i do have logic express, but i dont know if i can utilize that in anyway, is it worth a try? |
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pulseclock, you can try running both of them simultaneously via rewire, thats easier to set up in Logic 8. dunno if it will open your mind though, at the end of the day its a sequencer and if you can play with live's one why bother |
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If you are not an amazing programmer then forget these programs. Cylob has actually blown me away on what he's done with supercollider. He is a true programmer. Do you have that kind of talent? |
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no =( |
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Fuck THAT. Cylob uses SuperCollider, which is SCRIPT. Max and PD are not programming, technically speaking. |
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thanks, i was thinking to quit before trying. |
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Dude, seriously.... point of advice. RTFM. for real. Also, go into with it having something in mind.... a simple synth, a drum machine, a waveform jumper thingy... otherwise, you'll be building on a clean slate and that can seem daunting. |
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They aren't script but the philosophy behind the way you construct things is programming. It can be harder actually because you could spend a week drawing little wires all over the place and realize you made a fatal mistake early in the process.At this point you are fucked. In Supercollider those things are easy to remedy |
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Check out CDP. Its a bunch of pre made effects. |
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Max and PD are not programming, technically speaking. Technically speaking, they're dataflow programming languages. |
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where could i get max patches for the mac? |
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you could spend a week drawing little wires all over the place and realize you made a fatal mistake early in the process You can do the same stupid thing in a written programming language if you're a bad programmer and hardcode things over and over instead of abstracting them in functions and classes. Max and PD have , so you can change the "template" in one place and it changes in everything that uses that object. Your master patch should just be a container that holds your parts together. Then it's easy to make changes. |
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Max patches for Mac: I have Autechre max patches. Try google. Try em411. Data flow, yes. Not being able to debug... not necessarily the case. There is a trace function. |
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em411 right |
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Try the mailing list as well... the Max mailing list is legit as fuck. |
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A complex max patch. I'm sorry, can look a mess and I don't see how it could be easy to debug. What if you fail to make an abstract object? I agree that the basics are out of the way in Max. Supercollider you have to build the pencil than start drawing. Which is annoying. |
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im going to try it out for a few weeks, see if i make any progress |
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for sure, i've also found an where people is trying to help each other with translations and stuff. i do have in mind what i want from it, too ;) |
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They all seem very cool with intense learning curves. |
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