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stilaktive
from a place on 2007-12-07 04:54 [#02151601]
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Did a little searchy and dinni find nout.
Anway I'm planning on getting one of these little things soon. I'm thinking of using it just for basic ableton djing i.e. not too much dsp. reports on games and apps include top notch QIII arena and Photoshop cs3. thats sounds good and along with overclocking it and sticking 2 gigs of ram i think it should handle it. Cant seem to find any audio benchmarks yet though. any clues? anyone got one for that matter?
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2007-12-07 04:59 [#02151605]
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I WANT THIS. It is perfect for my homework. Not to be all I LIKE OLD COMPUTERS but I really dont like my modern time wasting computer. So to have something I can check my email, fold up and throw in my bookbag would really kick ass.
Think it the compact flash will be to slow ?
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pidgin
from St Kilda on 2007-12-07 09:42 [#02151680]
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Yeah, I've had one since release day.
They are...... (wait for it).... AWESOME!
I literally just chuck it in my bag every day and use it at uni for checking email, writing essays, searching the library etc.
(and it's not compact flash. it's secure digital/mmc.)
ask me any questions..
http://pidg.in/~taras/loleee.jpg
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pidgin
from St Kilda on 2007-12-07 09:45 [#02151681]
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(I don't use it for music stuff though. I'm still using Linux on it - the hard drive is solid state/flash, i.e. it will wear out a lot quicker if you don't use the right kind of file system or the OS does a lot of writing - like XP does.)
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2007-12-07 11:31 [#02151709]
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this is taken from that link you posted:
In related news, PC World laments that the Asus Eee PC “gets toasty warm during use. And I don’t mean warm just near the battery–it gets warm all over. The palm rest, the keyboard, the touchpad, and the touchpad’s single select button all felt warm to the touch after just 30 minutes of use. Even the USB drive I plugged into the USB port became warm. The heat only got worse with time and further use. Another issue: My test unit often emitted a low-pitched whirring and grinding noise. While no worse than a hard drive spinning up, considering this unit lacks a hard drive, the noise was disquieting. It was obvious in a quiet room (with only a desktop PCs own low-grade cacophony as background noise), and it was annoying to hear. Not to mention that the noise made me uneasy; I couldn’t help but wonder which component was the source.”
definitely something to keep in mind for those of you considering a purchase.
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avart
from nomo' on 2007-12-07 11:43 [#02151716]
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...not surprising, small computers gets really hot - nothing to worry about if you just browse the net a bit and write some stuff sometimes - but they're not made for extended sessions (=lots of heat and fan noise)
overclocking seems like a very bad idea!
(my kitchentable-sized alu PB17" is quite big, but quiet as a mouse)
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pidgin
from St Kilda on 2007-12-07 12:41 [#02151757]
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yes, the "whirring" sound is the fan turning on, which it does after about 40 mins of use. I believe fans are quite commonplace in microcomputers these days.
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avart
from nomo' on 2007-12-07 13:00 [#02151772]
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yep, fans are all around - but of different size and rpm's (my former PB12" 3000-8000 rpm fan were quite loud, PB17's two fans are almost always off and doesn't sound much at 4000 rpm...)
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-08 01:17 [#02151946]
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I have one, don't buy one for music stuff it's totally inappropriate. It's a fantastic machine for browsing the net. I'd recommend a 4GB SD card to go with it.
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-08 01:21 [#02151950]
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solid state is very different to flash memory, flash memory would wear out fast if it has to cope with and OS's writes etc. Solid state has similar longevity to standard hard drives.
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sneakattack
on 2007-12-08 02:11 [#02151955]
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no
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b6662966
from ? on 2007-12-08 02:11 [#02151956]
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399$ dollars for 4 gigs of space and 512mb of ram, that coupled with a last generation cpu, running a specially customized version of linux for tards?
for that same price (or cheaper in some cases) you can get 14/15 inch laptop, with atleast a duo core processor, atleast 1 gig of ram, 100 gigs of space and a licensed copy of windows.
i dont undertand the appeal of this, other than its slightly smaller than your basic laptop.
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sneakattack
on 2007-12-08 02:17 [#02151957]
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that's essentially it. But to understand the appeal better, compare the price to other small laptops.
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pidgin
from St Kilda on 2007-12-08 07:09 [#02151992]
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b6662966, the appeal is that you get a fully functional PC the size and weight of a small book.
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cronenburger
from Ireland on 2007-12-08 07:14 [#02151993]
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why would you want to use photoshop on such a small screen
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-08 09:12 [#02152017]
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Reliability
In terms of reliability, conventional HDDs pale when compared to SSDs. The absence of mechanical arms and spinning platters is the reason behind its reliability. In demanding environments, SSDs provide the type of ruggedness required for mobile applications. Unlike the HDD, SSD's can withstand extreme shock and vibration with data integrity and without any danger of data loss. This feature is very important in industrial applications where exposure to highly combustible materials and electromagnetic radiation are typical. Their ability to deliver unnerving performance in extreme conditions also makes SSD play a vital role in military operations, be it in defense, aerospace or aviation applications. Military applications require, in most cases, an operating temperature range of -60°C to +95°C. Shock, vibration, and temperature ratings of HDDs cannot comply with military standards, only SSDs can.
not my words
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-08 09:21 [#02152018]
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I think people are missing the point. It's just a small, light, reliable, cheap and fast (to load) laptop. It's not a graphic design or recording studio. It's not meant to be compared to the £400 tesco special laptops either.
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2007-12-08 09:51 [#02152020]
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It's a nice idea. What I want is a very compact "book" sized qwerty laptop with a passive screen.
Something like a modern day TRS80-model 100 LAZY_TITLE
I don't want a flash GUI, or anything fancy. Just the ability to run off batteries without charging for a few days and a few simple programs, simple web browser, email, text editing, Couple of USB ports. wifi would be nice, but probably a battery killer.
Make the screen a monochrome LCD, which can work without backlight (backlight consumes tons of power) backlight only needs to be turned on for nighttime use.
Keep the solid state memory as compact flash (or similar), which can be removed and upgraded as required.
Add a tiny headphone jack and maybe lineout. Use lithium polymer batteries for high charge density and very light weight.
Stick a very stripped down basic linux or similar on it. Not awful windows CE.
It should have a solar panel mounted behind the screen so it can keep itself charged on sunny days. (N.B. no laptops utilise the area behind the screen), i.e. the opposite side of the lid to the screen. Cover it in a layer of perspex or something to stop damage.
Have a low power slowish ARM embedded CPU and no fan. No parts of it should get hot. (If it does, the CPU is over specified for the job).
Ideal for mostly text based applications. I would buy one. It should be very light and rugged. My P1i smartphone has a fully featured spreadsheet and wordprocessor on it, so I don't see why it can't be done for a TRS-80 clone for the 21st century?
I see a market not for a laptop "lite", but rather a rocket powered filofax/ebook with internet and mostly text centric applications.
Of course I'm probably totally wrong!
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sneakattack
on 2007-12-08 10:06 [#02152022]
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I was correcting your statement "very different to[sic] flash memory".
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sneakattack
on 2007-12-08 10:08 [#02152023]
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I like the idea of it. I've had a very expensive tiny laptop for years, and I don't ever use it for anything complicated. If I need heavy processing power, I can offload it elsewhere, as long as I'm connected.
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pidgin
from St Kilda on 2007-12-08 11:29 [#02152054]
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dave_g - I think this is the plan with the massive failure that is tablet PCs.
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oyvinto
on 2007-12-08 14:16 [#02152127]
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useless crap me thinks. 7" screens? but it's nice if you're in africa.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2007-12-09 10:44 [#02152526]
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what're your describing has pretty much already been made (except obviously no USB ports)
Psion Series 5mx
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Psion netBook
the Series 5mx is a very very small form factor (a lot smaller than that VHS cassette) and has a 16 shade greyscale screen (with EL backlighting). runs off two AA batteries and goes for weeks and weeks without changing the batteries.
the netBook is a slightly bigger machine, that has a larger colour backlit screen.
both are running ARM CPUs and run EPOC 5 operating system (EPOC was the precursor to Symbian, which your P1i runs, along with pretty much any smartphone that Nokia and Sony Ericsson make) so you wouldn't have any troubles getting to grips with paradigms in the usage of the operating system
and you can get the Series 5mx pretty easily on eBay. the netBook is a bit more difficult, as those who have them are reluctant to let them go.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2007-12-09 10:46 [#02152527]
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what're your = what you're
yay for tiredness
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pidgin
from St Kilda on 2007-12-09 11:20 [#02152528]
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this is nothing like either... trust me, i had a 5mx back in the day. it's a real life pc. you can even install macos on it if you're a cunt.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2007-12-09 12:13 [#02152536]
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i never said that the Eee PC was like the Psions
i was saying that the Psions fit what dave_g was describing
reread my post :)
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2007-12-09 13:24 [#02152560]
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yes I had a psion in the back of my mind when I wrote it, but I wouldn't want a symbian style OS. I'd much prefer a unix and of course USB and some form of low power wireless (and don't say IrDA is wireless), removable flash memory and don't forget solar power too!
If you can spruce up a psion then you have my dream product pretty much. Like I said a sort of filofax/ebook rather than pocketPC.
Incidentally, you might be interested in this article from a couple of months ago about psion. Did you know that they developed the first sat nav and hard disk mp3 players but didn't bother to develop them, so their people left to develop the tomtom and ipod! It's a typically British story...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/26/psion_special/
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2007-12-09 13:49 [#02152570]
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Well you can get the Psions to run Linux (i have a Series 5mxPRO...the 32MB version but haven't bothered trying Linux yet) but i guess that's still not what you're after.
yeah, they were VERY close to releasing a modern Psion that ran a version of Linux (similar to how the netBook Pro was Psion hardware, but Windows CE) but it never came to be.
i didn't realise that about TomTom / iPod development, nice one :D
i'd still love to have a 64MB netBook though :p however it would surely get neglected and sit around gathering dust just like my Psion Series 5mxPRO is right now
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2007-12-14 05:11 [#02154042]
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How about one of those new Nokia Internet tablets?...v nice spec...and as Open as anything else out, linux wise...
The new ones have even got GPS...
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2007-12-14 11:46 [#02154150]
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I want one, and I bet I can run a tracker on it to. I'll show you allll !
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pulseclock
from Downtown 81 on 2007-12-14 11:56 [#02154153]
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anyone think richard has a MAcbook? i had a dream last night that he thought i was spoiled cause i have one that my mom got me
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2007-12-14 12:09 [#02154155]
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the last pictures i saw of him doing anything live showed him with a Vaio
but i dunno
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-04-14 15:30 [#02194278]
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I'm currently ziltying on an Eee, and I had thought that the kEeeys would Bee too small for my manhands, butt they really aren't bad. My one complaint is that the speakers occupy space that could have been put to better use increasing the size of the screen. Though, I suppose there's no room for the speakers elsewhere.
On the other hand...
I noticed that the Eee has thrEee USBee ports on it, and thought it would be funNee to connect a bunch of USB audio devices/synths and mess around on the crapPee speeekers. Has anyone here tried using it with any linux-based trackers or anything? Are there any?
Although I probably wouldn't be able to work on this thing for an extended period of time (my eyes are straining to read the screen as it is), it's still pretty cool all things conidered.
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pidgin
from St Kilda on 2008-04-14 15:42 [#02194283]
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yeah as i said before i don't use mine for music, but i have tried out Aldrin modular synth/tracker (an open Buzz clone) and it works well enough.
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