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Any Autechre tracks not in 4/4?
 

offline Cheffe1979 from fuck (Austria) on 2003-01-07 13:45 [#00505455]
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Vletrmx21?


 

offline Polynomial-C from Netherlands, The on 2003-01-07 13:46 [#00505456]
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But I am sometimes having trouble figuring out if a song is
in 4/4 or 8/8.


 

offline Polynomial-C from Netherlands, The on 2003-01-07 13:47 [#00505458]
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Does Vletrmx21 actually HAVE a beat?


 

offline Cheffe1979 from fuck (Austria) on 2003-01-07 13:47 [#00505459]
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doesnt that depend on how fast you're counting?


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2003-01-07 13:48 [#00505461]
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Hu, you must be deaf or something, 4/4 and 8/8 don't have
ANYTHING in common !


 

offline Polynomial-C from Netherlands, The on 2003-01-07 13:50 [#00505464]
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songs with a 4/4-like beat, but syncopated rhythm are mostly
8/8


 

offline Pigfarmer from Ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-07 14:12 [#00505496]
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I play drums for 10 years now and prolly I can explain you
the raw secrets of signatures.
You have to start counting when the first basedrum or
whatever makes the beat kicks in the first time and then its
like this:
4/4
Means you have 4 Quarters with 4 Hits in each
0 = Bass
= = Quarter

0===0===0===0===
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +
for the + you say and
so its like
one and two and three and four and [goto one]

The first Number says you how long your beat is and the
second number says you how it is divided in each hit.
7/8 is like

0===0===0===0===0===0===0===
you could split that quarters up but that would take too
long..



 

offline Pigfarmer from Ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-07 14:13 [#00505500]
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BTW even Gantz Graf has a straight 4/4 beat. Autechre know
about machines but not about music theory ;))
BUT SQUAREPUSHER DOES


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-07 14:28 [#00505520]
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I know it may seem silly that I care, but I'm very
interested in time signatures and have been exploring odd
ones recently, so that's why I was wondering if any bands
used strange time signatures often. I'll check out Venetian
Snares then.

btw, many Autechre tracks also fooled me into thinking they
were in an odd time signature too, when they were in fact in
4/4 time. I guess that makes them even cleverer. :)



 

offline eXXailon from purgatory on 2003-01-07 14:28 [#00505521]
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13/7 is indeed bullshit. The first number can be pretty much
anything but the second number has to be divisible by 2.
?/3, ?/5, ?/7 signatures therefore can't exist because 1/3,
1/5, 1/7 notes etc. don't exist.

Am I still making sense?


 

offline rarndaraki from from from from (United States) on 2003-01-07 14:39 [#00505525]
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yes, you can't count a 7th note, it is impossible. however,
a computer can do it.....


 

offline Pigfarmer from Ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-07 14:42 [#00505526]
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Indian music has the weirdest rythms i ever heard. Ravi
Shankar, as the most popular for example has incredible
cross rythms that usually never fit wih our western
aesthetic. In indian music all the beat figures have certain
names like Alap, Jor or Rupak Tal.... Sounds like new AFX
tracknames to me, huh ?


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-07 15:28 [#00505566]
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I am very interested in Venetian Snares...can anyone tell me
more about their style? And is they're music definately in
more adventurous time signatures (since that's one of the
aspecs of music I'm really interested in right now for some
bizzare reason)


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-07 15:31 [#00505569]
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What Squarepusher tracks are in strange time signatures?


 

offline skyfarmer from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-01-07 18:16 [#00505731]
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Anyone tell me in which beat Nuane is?


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-01-07 18:22 [#00505738]
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ok, here are some... Cichli is in 5/4... as is Yulqueen...
that's all I can think of now...

uzim: what the hell is 9/8/7... I think you're a bit off
there... that is not how you write time signatures or
whatever...

also, 4/4 and 8/8 are the same thing... the only difference
is that 4/4 means 4 quarter notes in a bar, while 8/8 means
8 eighth notes... which is exactly the same... but you
wouldn't write it as 8/8... 4/4 is the standard...


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-01-07 18:23 [#00505739]
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nuane is straight 4/4... the beats seem to wander randomly,
but there is a straight 4/4 beat counted underneath... that
was an easy one to count... Cichli was tough... I had read
that it was 5/4, but I couldn't count it for the life of
me...


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-01-07 18:25 [#00505741]
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the songs on Go Plastic, which all sounds fucking crazy, are
pretty much all in 4/4... I know for sure most of em are,
and probably all... the thing is that they just play around
the 4/4 beat, and do all kinds of freaky things within it...



 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-01-07 18:27 [#00505743]
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777 is in like 7/4 time... either that, or alternating 3/4
and 4/4 measures... which would really be the same thing...


by the way, Solsbury Hill by Peter Gabriel is in 7/4 time...



 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-01-07 18:32 [#00505745]
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hey, maybe that's the significance of the name 777... that
it's in 7/4 time... hmmm, interesting!


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-01-07 18:40 [#00505754]
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I think it would be the same...


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2003-01-08 01:41 [#00506051]
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Squarepusher uses unusual time signatures on Music is
Rotted one Note
. For exemple, I think Theme from
Vertical Limit
is in 7/4 and My Sound is in 6/4.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-01-08 02:27 [#00506067]
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can anyone guess what time signature this song is in?

tinkerist heart


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2003-01-08 02:41 [#00506078]
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Whoa !

4/4 ?


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-01-08 02:42 [#00506082]
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Yup:)


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-01-08 03:08 [#00506095]
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so my point is that..the Central part of IDM is
still..Dance..I like the idea that no matter how
experimental, abstract or avant garde there's always
potential for a damn good groove in IDM..no matter how
disguised, shuffled or contrived...my favourites are the
ones that hint and tease at a groove and then shy away from
it and do something more unpredictable.. this would be
impossible unless 4/4 was being used...


 

offline eXXailon from purgatory on 2003-01-08 03:11 [#00506098]
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Bine doesn't really sound like it's 4/4.....


 


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