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I will not enter into a Communism vs Capitalism debate - I'm not voicing an opinion on which is better (more suited to human nature). But will you agree that capitalism has raised the standard of living for more people than communism? And all the ills of Capitalism are due to people cheating the system (mainly big business because govt.s are loath to lose their investment) and this is bad, obviopusly. Also: that Stalin - what a geezer, love 'im. And Che's book is a description on how to overthrow (or how he overthrew) an oppressive govt. by population mobilisation on a large scale. Steven Pinker's book is a scientific (ie based on proven experimental results) one about the evolution of the brain (human nature in particular) and how it impacts on society in many ways (and it's implications for capitalism). Which is more relevent, and also moe comprehensive, |
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Is anyone trying to find their buddha nature? If so props to the bodddhistavas |
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"What I mean is: it's the most difficult system to 'cheat your way' in. In other words getting something for nothing, while others make all the work/sacrifices." ENRON, WORLDCOM ring a bell??? |
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Oh no, not that reactionary sociobiologist? |
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Care to tell that to the citizens of former Eastern European Bloc??..has capitalism raised their standard of living?? The State used to provide a modicum of security and consistancy...now left to their devices there are more people who are consistently falling through cracks then those with raised standards of living... |
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capitalism is driven by greed, pure and simple. the constant craving for more may drive some people but not me. i always thought the point of life was to become ultimately content (although you can argue this is indeed impossible), capitalism is the equivelant of a dog chasing its own tail. |
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You can't compare capitalism vs. communism a la the Cold War. The Soviet union was not a communist society which is why so many on the left wnated nothing to do with it. It was a state capitalist society run by a bureaucratic elite i.e. not democratic and against everyone from Marx to Trotsky stood for. |
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to me both USSR and China are/were Communism stunted and rotted at the transition phase where an interim Police State is necessitated to make a tranistion from the Capitalist/ Monarchist to a pure Communist state.. |
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Blaaaaaaaaaaah. Fuck senserity! |
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reactionary neurobiologist and pupil of noam chomsky. very reactionary, and a little piquish. not the most attractive personality, but the ideas are sound and mainly based on common ense rather than political idealism. |
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Pupil of Chomsky??? |
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that scared me too!! |
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But will you agree that capitalism has raised the standard of living for more people than communism? LOL Ruanda, Burundi, Cambodia, Vietnam, El Salvador, Iugoslavia, Congo, South Africa, Nicaragua, Panama... |
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And for social implications of human brain structure... I'm with Chomsky! Innat systems like ours need anarchy 4 natural evolution! |
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And Che's book explain what I would do with capitalist governments. That's why I said that. |
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Jonesy has informed me that you could use some in-sight from a former-socialist country. Yugoslavia, USSR and the rest were capitalist countries. Only not really successful. They tried to bend some basic rules of capitalism in order to make more people happy or something, to put a human face on market struggle. This is why they ended in pieces. Socialism in my country was as much about market economy as capitalsim in the USA is, onlyour leaders fooled themselves that there is a way around market principles and that somehow you can keep "good" sides of market economy while doing away with bad sides. Wrong. As for capitalism raising the standard of living for certain population, that is beyond any doubt. The other part of it is that it's on the account on decreasing standards and exploiting other population. Tough, eh? Saying that capitalism is part of the human nature means nothing. Parts of it are, parts of it are against it. Human nature can not be reduced to one or two principles. I will be out in 10 or so minutes. Therefore make your flame posts short |
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no flames meho. but if some rise over others, then there's no real rising but a transmission of it that leaves the same amount. I explain myself like a drunk junkie naked in front of a church... |
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Exactly. You got it right. Amounts stay the same. Always. Read Battaile's "Damned part" on further info. I have to leave now, see ya guys. |
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"But will you agree that capitalism has raised the standard of living for more people than communism?" Maybe not communism but definitely all previous human societies. Marx himself saw that capitalism was a very expansive and creative force, but only up to a point. We reached that point quite a while ago when the world was able to meet the needs of most of humanity, and then some. Check Marx's historical materialism, espec the Communist Manifesto. Its a cliche but its a marvellous work of literature and compounds the essence of his theories rather well. |
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Check also the Unabomber Manifesto. |
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Pinker was a pupil and then colleague of Chomsky at MIT. He agrees and argues for many of Chomsky's theories of mind and language and also argues quite well against some of his other social theories pointing out basic mistakes that chomsky has made. Marx is very seductive - human nature again. |
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just the Young Marx... |
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Seductive? Well, he did seduce his housemaid so... |
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Give me an example of a country that used communism that worked and promoted the things that we all like so much, such as the arts, literature, music, theater, free thought, being able to go out and do what you want to do for a living, being able to do simple things like expressing yourself...... name me one country that used communism that didnt supress those things I mentioned Capitalism was never in human nature IMO. Human nature is about finding a way to survive. Cromagnum man was never thinking about capitalism when they were trying to make it through the hard winters, they were thinking about how to get enough food for the tribe to survive. that is human nature IMO |
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