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oh cay, I've got an essay to do for music tech, but i need some ideas. Our teacher gave us this example, as how to explore the question: invention of drummachines meant tighter rhythm for pieces, but it also meant that no drummer was needed, and so with performers live acts became harder to achieve and so people began to produce music videos can anyone think of any ideas? need to explore the studio, recording, commercial, presentation and style sides of things |
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Take the idea about drum machines and expand on it. With the rise of realistic synthesis there's much less call for live musicians playing orchestral intruments for soundtracks etc. The public's ear is getting used to the synthetic version of instrumentation. Also, this encourages the rise of the one or two man band. The deejay is another permutation on one or two guys with Cubase. History of this goes back to Jamaican toasting if you like. Effect on the final product? It is the product of fewer musicians but there are more individual artists competing with one another. This has obvious effects on the market. Less diversity, too much product and increased alienation, what a great trend! When you present your essay, climax it by smashing a computer. |
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cool thanks fleetmouse :D i need some specific points too.... like how computer software or keyboards/synths have an affect. also i need to split the essay in 2 (somehow), one part being music making, the other being recording - i.e. digital recording, not wax cylinders or analog recordings |
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*bump n grind* |
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"I dont see nothing wroooooong, with a little bump n grind...... I dont see nothing wrooong...." |
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you know you want to help! |
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All right you got me mylittlesister :*) The options are endless for your essay, You could look at music technology in two ways, negative or positive. On a negative outlook, you could say, that with technology becoming more acessible and cheaper everyday, everyone can make their own music. Everyone can become a "star" in a sense and a "technical" music genious. With simple and easy to use programs becomming more efficiant and advanced, any jo shmo can make music on almost any computer. All though most people never go further then using premade loops, changing them just a tad, and slapping a price tag on it, calling it theirs, and worst of all, calling it art. Although there are people like this, there is a small majority of musicians out their who go beyond that, experimenting with new sounds and thinking of new ways to change electronic music, making thier OWN sounds (synth, drum hit, and fx sounds), trying to express them selves in an artist way, adding their own personal flare to it all, not just using cheesy premade house drum loops with premade synth melodies that have come with the program... or sample cd, then calling it art... or expression. And whats even worse (in my eyes anyway) is there is now so many people who do this (even on popular songs you hear on the radio....) its almost become accepted. And people are seeing this, and jumping on the band wagon. Creating too much supply and not enough demand for electronic music, and really putting a bad name on it IMO. In effect, you have more then 30% of people making electornic "music" who have no idea how sounds are produced and egineered, usually no more knowladge then, this is a computer, it plays sound, these samples are copyright free....... having no idea how it all works. On the positive side, you could look at like, out of all the people who make music, there are some people who actually have skill, and want to share there music with the world. The internet is a great tool for these people to use. Audio interfaces and soundca |
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On the positive side, you could look at like, out of all the people who make music, there are some people who actually have skill, and want to share there music with the world. The internet is a great tool for these people to use. Audio interfaces and soundcards and software is getting better and cheaper everyday. A guitarist can do multitracking and arrange everything the way he wants, minus the expenisve cost of studio time. A vocalist can record an acapella in a snap, a producer doesnt have to shell out millions to have a quality studio. Music technology has made the possibility of promoting a musicians music incredibly easy. There are millions of online "communities" where people can share tips/tricks/ and experiences, furthuring the possibility of letting people listen and enjoy good music. Anyway I hope this sprouts some ideas for you, I did kind of a basic pro/con of music technology... I r helperings youss odslky yAY! duuuurrrrrrr |
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wow, thanks for the time mickey some really good ideas in there, I'll try not to copy you. thank you very much the hardest part of this essay is to focus on the question, because the question is basically "how has music changed, due to the digital age", not 'how has music become worse/better/easier/harder'.... not sure, its a bit weird |
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Man thats a pretty rockin essay subject If it were me I think I would go into how technology has gotten more acessible and less expensive, I dont think music itself has really changed all that much IMO, aside from the fact that more people are doing it. There has always been experimental music, and as well as everyother style or genra... I guess its gotten more technical, the experimental side of music... maybe not. sorry for my typos, you can use all you want from what I posted if it helps you out. Good luck Wooosle Wooozie WEEEEEE! |
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Meant to post this earlier... When you play a trumpet or sax track on a keyboard, the phrasing you'd come up with is inevitably different from what a real player would do because of the physical configuration of the instruments. There are certain sequences of notes that fall easily under the fingers on a particular wind instrument. You don't get the same effect with a keyboard. Not to mention that the keyboard is concert pitch and many wind instruments are Bb. Oftentimes when using digital instruments with wavetable synthesis, the waveforms are already compressed to save space in the chipset. I daresay you'd see a difference in the frequency range using an oscilloscope, or listening with trained ears. One difference in the finished product of digital production is it's highly likely to be built out of repeating blocks or loops of sound, whereas with analog recording of realtime instruments you are more or less obligated to perform each bar as it happens. So with realtime instruments (played by competent musicians) you can in my humble opinion get much subtler dynamics, instead of just drawing a volume or tempo gradient in a piece of software. Digital creation and mixing is very much suited to pop music where dynamics are practically a no-no... you want to have everything consistently compressed to the max so it's constantly into the red. HTH |
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you might wanna look at the way technology has created new genres based round specific techniques or equipment, i.e. jungle based on samplers running loops faster than human drummer, or the rise of vinyl mixing that created homognous genre like house, all based round repetative loops that mix well |
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yeah, like the drum machine example thanks mickey, fleetmouse and jingle gonna start it 2moro! |
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Defintaly fleetmouse! When your talking dynamics/performance of a real instrument (piano, banjo, guitar, whatever) and compairing it to a synthesized intrument (or hell even a sampled intrument key mapped out with volume/velocity control), nothting will ever beat the real thing. The minor inperfections of a trumpet solo... the heavy pluck sound of a banjo..... I think it will be a while before anyone is able to replicate that digitally, its comming closer and closer though. But, people are always going to want to quantize notes to make them sound perfect.... no one could ever make a good jazz album using synthesized/sampled instruments..... it would just end up sounding cheesy and manufactured... because jazz is all about imperfections and improvisation. I recently did a glitch mash up of a britney spears track.... the origional track had no dynamics at all. Louder=better now adays I guess... Boom boom bass and loud is what popular music is all bout I think. You could go everywhere with this esaay topic, haha which is really cool, have fun with it mylittlesister. |
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The thing is, it takes a lot of training on any instrument to play consistently, never mind adding dynamics. But anyone can fire up a pirated copy of Cubase or Cakewalk and play perfectly consistent banjo notes. Everyone's an "auteur", no one's an instrumentalist--a specialist on a particular instrument. Except for guitar and the next time I see a guitarist I will eat his flesh and the world will thank me. It's a vicious circle - the more people rely on synthesized instruments, the less demand there is for seasoned players, and the fewer seasoned players there are the more producers will rely on synthesis. And I do think that the general public doesn't notice or doesn't care if the horns or strings in a movie soundtrack are synthesized or not. :: sees a guitarist :: excuse me, BRB |
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I think there is a difference between the real live improvised bajo performer, and pluging in consistent banjo notes... nothing can beat the sound and sight of seeing a musician play live with a real intrument. I dont think that can ever be synthesized or sampled well enough, ever. People need to stop quantizing. STOP THE GOD DAMN QUANTIZING WITH THE SMOOTH JAZZ BULLSHIT, IF I HEAR ANOTHER SMOOTH JAZZ SONG WITH NO IMPROVISATION OR IMPERFECTIONS I WILL SKULL FUCK A BABY! *goes marching outside* EVERYONE STOP THE QUANTIZING ok I am better. 8^D |
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:: plays a banjo :: violence is the answer yeah yeah yeah violence is the answer yeah yeah yeah violence is the answer yeah yeah yeah violence is the answer yeah yeah yeah :: destroys the universe :: |
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that's what midi input devices are for :D and recording live instruments into the computer |
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I would have to agree to disagree mylittle sister Try making a few melody lines and beats without the aid of quantizing. You might like it. *skull fucks a baby* GOD DAMN SMOOTH JAZZ BULLSHIT! AAAAHHHH! |
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I'm noodling some smooth jazz with a nice rhodes patch. It's smooooth. Makes me wanna wear blue velvet suits and get gold teeth. THAT MOUSE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING CARE OF A BABY THAT'S STUPID!!!!!!!! |
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AWWWWWW NOOOOOO FLEEETMOUSE NOOOO!! DID YOU QUANTIZE THAT SHIT!? IF YOU DID, I AM GOING TO FUCK MY CAT ORALLY! oh dear! |
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Naw your cat is safe. I aint even recordin this shit. Man those were some mad chicks you linked to. |
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I never use quantizing. such a strange habit. |
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Hahaha yea those ladies are mad as fuck, I bet they could cut any mans penis right off by just looking at it. O_O Clic made a post about that song, I am so glad he did, because my life definatly would not have been complete if I didnt get to hear that. I am making a shirt today that says quantizing is bullshit, and wearing it when I show up for my protools audio workstation course. WEEEEEEE! I think it will go over well, haha :P 8^D |
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heheh :D nice one! i meant playing in using a midi input device (without quantizing) or using a real instrument and recording actual audio. |
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You know what I'd like to try is one of those midi wind instrument thingymajigs. Not sure how they work but they look like little oboes or clarinets. I've only ever seen new age musicians playing them. Bleah! But it'd be fun to hook it up to a patch that'd blow your head clean off. |
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heh, definately! i thort someone was joking when they told me about midi guitars, but when i saw a midi wind instrument *&@^%^%^$^£$!!... ! still not sure how to start my essay.... "With the rise of music technology, a new form of music making and recording has developed - digital music." will that do? I'm so crap at writing essays, i got an A in english.lit last year, but i dont know how! my english teacher said 'write how you would say it' but if i did that it probably would make sense, I'm so bad at expressing myself |
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Start it with "We live in a world of uncertainty..." :-) No, but really: start it with a short narrative passage describing the traditional recording process, like "The engineer cues up the tape. Behind the glass, the conductor raises his baton." Then describe the digital process: "The geek takes a slug of Jolt cola and arms a track in Cakewalk...." :-) Then expand on and describe some of the differences you touched on in your little narratives. |
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a small extract from my essay leading on from a point that Mickey talked about: "This rhythmic perfection of music makes the music very manufactured, ‘cheesy’ and very suited to the pop industry, so the industries top corporate managers can make their nice, cheesy, manufactured, pop-songs with one vocalist and then a whole band of MIDI instruments who do not need to be paid and who do not waste valuable and pricey studio time – taking a cost effective route to making music, with less thought or time put towards the music, this is commonly known as ‘selling out’." bit of a dig at the corporations :D |
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YOW Stick it to the man baby! Hope your prof doesn't own shares of Vivendi or sumpin. :-) |
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w00t! ROXORZ! Thats some greedy ass quantized fake ass bullshit! (haha motorbike track) |
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You should mention sampling. As in, sampling began to be a new (and cheaper) way of making a rhythm section, and that replaced the drummer in some cases, making the DJ or producer the guy producing the beats. BUT as people became familiar with sampling it put the focus back on the original records, and musicians invloved. Like Blue Note has sold loads of CDs / LPs off the back of the sampling phemomenon, coz people want to go back and hear the originals. |
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