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martinhm
from York (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-02 06:29 [#00464443]
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Without wishing to stir up the great vinyl vs CD debate again, could somebody please comment on this observation:
You are losing nothing if you listen to a CD containing audio that has already been digitised by virtue of having been a) recorded on a digital device b) at one time processed by a digital device (e.g. computer) c) originated from a digital process. That is, if the audio has already been converted from an analogue wave to ones and zeroes you gain nothing by then pressing it onto vinyl.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-12-02 06:35 [#00464455]
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Not strictly true-
Due to the limitations of vinyl, low end (bass) frequencies appear quieter- all record player have circuitry/valves that "correct" this and in the process add the distortion that gives vinyl its warmth. This, in effect, means recording to vinyl is a form of filter or effect to music.
Still, you are right about stuff that is alredy digital will for the most part be the same (aside from as described above)...
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martinhm
from York (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-02 06:43 [#00464465]
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Cheers Ceri. That's exactly what I was getting at.
If I record myself playing guitar (which I can't, but anyway) on an 8-track and then press that to vinyl, then you get the real deal. But if you stick it through the soundcard and screw with it in the computer, then it will have been sampled at 44.1KHz and each sample quantised to a 16 bit number. Hence a vinyl pressing wil yield no more of the original recording than a CD recording. Just some "warmth".
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-12-02 06:58 [#00464479]
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Funfact for analogue fans- you can get a really dirty, raspy recording by making "tape"from sellotape covered in rust filings and putting it on an old reel cassette recorder. You can record to it and play back just like normal audio tape.
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-02 10:14 [#00464718]
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they did that on the channel four fix-it type program... that was superb
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-02 10:16 [#00464721]
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i perfer digital sounds.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-12-02 10:19 [#00464723]
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I learnt about it from seeing Tim Hunkin do it. He is such a cool science geek- everyone needs a copy of his book,
"(Almost) Everything there is to know"
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-02 10:48 [#00464745]
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The Secret Life of Machines... that series ruled. If people like Tim Hunkin taught in our schools we would have a nation of inventors
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-02 10:56 [#00464751]
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you can recreate the "vinyl warmth" in digital music can't you? doesn't it come down to mastering..?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-02 10:58 [#00464755]
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qrter...
mmm... not really. I mean, you could master it, so that the bass is warmer... but its not goin to sound the same.
There would be afficianados that could hear a difference.
But for the average person, I dont think anyone would notice or care.
I for one dont care.
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