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what do 1's and 0's refer to as being on and off? it seems physically impossible to hold all the necessary information to run a complex videogame or something on a computer. (If I wasn't addicted to this place maybe I could actually research it instead...) |
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I think its abstract thingy. |
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binary, its pretty complex .... if you want an even more complex thing to think about..... look up the article on IBM, and their new hard drives in development.... basically just chips... similair to the way data was stored a while back in the 70's got its mind boggling... Ill see if I can find the article... |
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actually I sorta remember hearing somewhere or something that it's the hard drive... it must work with light somehow, like cd's have that crazy light pattern with the information... I think the same type of cds are in the hard drive to store information right? I wonder what a cd looks like under a microscope... do slightly differing depths of indentation make a 1 different from a 0? |
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binary is complex? that's nearly the funniest thing i've ever read! surely it's the most simple form of anything? |
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i don't think it's "on" and "off", but "open" and "closed"... |
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YES! |
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naaa, its a chip, remember those cards programmers way back when put in the super computers to program things.... those big ass rooms with just like 1 mb of space.. 0_o They use the chip the same way. This small chip has small, incredibly small holes. And for each bit of data a hole is punched in this silicon fabric just above the chip.... if data is removed the hole/s where that data is gets punched with the chip, but it heats up and melts away the old data... thats what I got from it.... hard to explain... I am still looking for the article.. |
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open and closed... yes and no.... on and off..... thats binary in a nutshell reason I say its complex is because unless you are einstien or a mathmatician... you cant look at and go... oooo ok... I get it.... thats what I was trying to get at. |
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Yes, I've read a bit about how they used to use holes punched in cards as a memory storage medium. At least that makes a bit of physical sense. Stuff today seems magic. A little calculator must be programmed with a computer programmed algorithm right (think about trying to program that without any help...)? Do you suppose they used c++ in that? |
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Well the 0 and 1 get grouped in little groups called bits, and every bit rapresents an hexadecimal number, and than you put together hexadecimal number and you do simple instructions in machine languages that say, fetch that instruction, decoded, elaborate it and store it back. And you keep increasing and increasing the instructions, untill you get today's complex programs. Obviously other things come in as system for storage and compression of images, music etc etc.... |
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I thought a bit was 8 bytes or something so isn't that... uh... octadecimal or something? I don't know of course. Is the "hard drive" just a regular cd like the cd's you burn?... only a RW one. |
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I thought it was more like the brown, plastic, flimsy ones inside of floppy disks.. |
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but bigger.. |
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I think you could program a calculator in c++ but then you would have to have a compliler or something that could turn in into an assembly language... Man just the thought of programming a calculator gives me a headache.. |
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I suppose C++ is the right thing to use if I mostly want to learn computer code stuff in order to control and create visual movement on the screen and to control and create and manipulate sounds? |
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YES! I program my own VST effects using C++ , and the cubase sdk (software development kit) java or java script... is also very powerfull |
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wow you do? I read java was made mostly for the internet. can I hear some creation u made ? |
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Why do you have to make it a "VST" effect? (because it's easier than starting from scratch?) I don't really know EXACTLY what a vst effect is still. |
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I dont wanna release my plug-ins..... just yet anyway cause its kinda my special little thing or something... I dont know.. hard to explain.... vst effects are a little easier to program.... because of the sdk. VST effects are like audio plugins for sequencing applications... fruity has vst support... cubase... in a nutshell... a vst is an audio plug in you run audio through .. and process the sound.... in C++ its a bit harder to develope an application that processes sound.... but it can be done.. its not easy.. but it can definatly be done |
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cewl |
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And the outcome product if you use C++ to develope your own app can be amazing. I mean people at propellerheads and native instruments had to start somewhere..... Woosle woooozie Weeeee! |
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hmm.. propellerheads, native instruments.. *takes notes do you like otto von schirach "8000 bc"? It sounds like it had some mad effects with code or something. |
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oh hell yes.. I am a big fan of Mr. Schirach! hahaha I think he uses all kinds of stuff... I know he has a lot of vst... probubly some custom ones as well... I think he might do it all on his pc.... but I am not certain... his stuff sounds very digital |
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for some reason I'm less interested in using someone elses code creations to make music than making my own. That'd be cool to actually design music software, something like fruity loops or modplug tracker.. that way you could modify it easily since you know it inside out. (or if you know code well enough you might be able to understand how to modify existing software for much less hassle) |
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altering existing software without the source code is a bitch and a half....... and damn near impossible.. but yeah... developing your own app with C++ would be cool, I am afriad that if I starting tinkering in C++ , it would just eat up my life and thats all I would do. If your just starting or have experience in programming get the cubase sdk, because its really great... and its starting from sctracth.. developing the gui and the dsp that you want to accomplish... its a good thing.. if your into coding I recomend it... *passes out* |
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luckily I don't care if it eats up my life. |
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do you allready know how to program in C++ wMw? I have dabbled in C++ and came up with a granulizer type thingy... but I dont really do it that much because it takes to much time out of my music making time. I am going to take an advance C++ course next semester.. hopefully that will give me more time. |
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nope, but I'm currently reading a book by dntel and dntel or however you spell their names. I spent a lot of time reading reviews of c++ books on amazon.com and that had the best reviews, heh heh. I've never even tinkered with it, just read about it... doesn't it cost like a thousand bucks to buy c++? |
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The 1s and 0s are binary which means that its a number written with base 2. We are used to seeing numbers written as base 10. Its just another way of writting numbers, you can write all the same numbers but it only requires two different numbers, 1 and 0. Combinations of these create numbers that we normally see in base 10. so these numbers can store tons of info in a very simple way. |
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Deitel and Deitel? Those books are really good. I have the Visual Basic 6 one - it was required for a class I'm taking now. I've had several classes in C++ and now in Visual Basic and in my opinion Visual Basic is much easier, especially for graphical applications. I've never tried to program any audio stuff though, so I don't know about that. Also, you can get Visual C++ from Microsoft for about $100, but you can get it much cheaper through Colleges... I think I can get the complete Visual Studio .Net for $30. |
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There's a free c/c++ compiler for Windows: http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/ |
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yes, deitel and deitel. I'm impressed with it so far. I've heard of basic but know very little about it (not that I know much about c++ either) I didn't know there was "visual" c++/basic... How many different categories are there then? visual, audio? I pretty much thought there was just one single c++ When you buy the package I think it comes with a compiler probably, but I don't know. |
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it's "on" and "off"..umm..because it actually is on and off..the computer chips are comprised of 100,000..(maybe an exageration)..of little circuits printed..and on these circuits known as logic circuits are switches known as logic switches that exist in two states..t on and off..meaning the electricity is allowed or disallowed through them.... any and every higher level programming C++, Java, etc..is broken down into the lower level language..machine code..which is but a sequence of bits..ones and zeros..ons and offs..instruction for these switches to go..um..on and off.. |
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"Visual C++" is just what Microsoft calls their compiler package for C++. It includes the compiler, and a really nice front-end(? my english is not well), and a debugger. With it you can program anything: visual programs, sound programs, etc. It also includes some program template thingies to make it easier to do Windows progams. |
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