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just make sure your house doesn't burn down i hate them for doing this. greedy bastards. |
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I've been hearing about this all day... aren't the replacement trucks from the 1950's? It's gonna be a fuckin horror for anyone who gets in a blaze fo' sho. |
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i cant wait to see one of those "green godesses" maybe ill be a bit careless with the chip pan tonite |
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burn baby burn, disco inferno |
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you guys have a fireman strike? youch...everyone be careful with the matches :/ how can they get away with this? over here we had lots of strikes...among them being: -public transportation strike which lasted around 4 months -numerous teacher stikes -nurse strikes / doctor stikes and i think we had a police strike once... |
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mOaagahahAHhaa |
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lol @ Binaural |
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/\/\006Aaaa6a6a6a6aaaaaaa!11111111 |
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i blame scargill, bloody commie |
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Fireman Strike beats Counter Strike!!! |
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hehe .. yeah .. doctors/nurses teachers go on strike quite frequently here - just wonder if it is going to amount to something or, whether it only serves to make the state more authoritarian ... "arbeit macht frei?" |
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wtf .. that's some weird time thing going on .. |
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*just read clock topic* |
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so with this time thing i can predict what is about to be said? |
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fleetmouse, are you on strike? i bet your wife's hungry! well you can only dream - you'd better hunch off to the kitchen |
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dobbin the conservative - down with the trade unions! bloody horses! Firemen deserve more pay, they get paid less than teachers, and we all know how much of a crap pay teachers get! |
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teachers should be paid more money to attract more people into the jobs, as there is a massive teacher shortage in quality & quantity. firemen get payed 23,000 a year (not to be sniffed at), and are never going to be short of people wanting to become firemen. at a time of increased threat to national security (taliban, saddam etc) it seems tasteless, stupid and greedy to warrant a strike. do they really expect to get 40%? especially when the civil service get 1.5% based on inflation. they're all a bunch of wankers holding the government to ransom. i wish them all the worst. |
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i think the 40% is outrageous, but i still think they deserve more money. a lot of people want to be firemen? have they started showing fireman sam on tv again? |
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increased threat to national security? dunno - i mean .. how can you measure a threat - its all in the papers and such. they make it seem like there is a threat to validate action or whatever. dunno - i don't think people should take shit - i don't know the specifics re: firemen, but i'd say there ought to be quite a bit of danger pay for that job. So if it turns out that they think they are getting short changed then why put up with it? Why not say fugg it? - pay more or i'll piss off and mind me own business? I guess the whole teacher/doctor/fireman thing seems morally reprehensible, - but at the same time, this position of responsibility oughtn't hold the workers hostage ??? Fuck, I sound like a Marxist |
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"I sound like a Marxist" hurray! the way forward! :D |
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I'm on strike. Wife has to get up from her nap and get her own supper. *sigh* Well that was a nice fantasy. I'd better hunch off to the kitchen. (thinking with the small head here) |
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mylittlesister .. :) way forward? maybe - its all futile, it just depends on which delusion one believes in to create the illusion of progress ... i think Marx has some nice ideas and things - but that's about it. |
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So basically I made her a veggie burger. I got off easy, considering. |
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Allow me to revive this thread. I get paid £5.10 per hour (casual labour til xmas) to sort & deliver mail from 4 AM every morning . I'm not complaining. Its long hours & I'm saving up to travel the world from Feb/March. After tax, that's £10.400 p/a for a 50 hour week with unsociable hours & physical work in shit weather. My job is "Vital". Its an essential service to most people. Nurses get way more than me, and rightly so. Teachers also deserve what they get and more. Firemen ? Bollocks !!! Lazy c*nts work 4 days on / 4 days off on a day/night-watch rotation. That means they sleep-over @ work (on call) for 2 nights in 8 ; and work 2 day shifts in 8. Thats 6 "Days" off every 8 days. I get one day off per week. They also get 2 months paid holiday every year. Plenty of free time to blow your wages in Florida or Tenerife... Why don't the firemen up & leave ? Their shoes would be filled damn quick, because unlike teaching there is no recruitment crisis in sitting around playing cards and occasionally splashing water on the odd smouldering bin . I promise you this... You won't see any of these basically uneducated & unqualified "heroes" who sit around all day and save the odd cat from a tree or two taking up alternative employment to save them a life of hardship. Unfortunately the firemen seem to believe that "Public support" means having 30% public approval. I really hope they get fuck all and all get sacked. If they win, the floodgates will open and my taxes will go through the roof. Anyone would think these lazy brutes are struggling for their next meal, the way they're carrying on . They should be ashamed of themselves,** GREEDY FUCKING BASTARDS ** ah... thats better :) |
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Does your job ever require your life to be on the line? It's easy to point at saving cats and burning bins etc but tell the full story if you want to make a point convincingly. Nurses, Doctors, Teachers, Firemen etc are pivotal to everything that is 'our' society. If you are Ill, stupid and burnt there's not much chance of you doing anything really. Everyone should get a pay rise! at least 400% |
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Give em 16% and hope they shut up. |
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"i hate them for doing this. greedy bastards" i don't like theirr apprroach but they don't get THAT much forr what they do. A woman wherre my mam worrks gets paid £14 an hourr to give customerr carre talks. my mam works forr the NHS so i assume its the goverrment that pays this woman. therre is an imbalance somewherre that needs sorrting, but i wish they haddent take this apprroach, and i also think they arre asking forr too much in one go. theirr isent enough money to give them that at the moment but in time new plans could be drrawn up so that theirr pay can incrrease. |
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at least the firewomen will still be working |
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I've seen one of the green godesses in action. I am with the firemen strike because those guys don't get paid shit for what they have to do.... I know firemen and they do infact work there asses off......so I'm with them on this.. |
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But if 1 extrra perrson die's as a rresult - is it worrth it? i think not, therre arre (must) be otherr ways |
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No because the shity goverment won't do anything about it if there was no strike. Besides they need new equipment updated all these will help save lives. |
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"No because the shity goverment won't do anything about it if there was no strike" 100% trrue, i know this. but trry telling that to the family that lose a child... |
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also 100% true.... |
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Is this strike even legal? I believe that in the USA, you are not allowed to strike if you are employed in emergency civil service, such as fire/EMT/etc. It needs to be ended immediately, I don't care how. It's not worth having people die in fires because no one is there to respond. two options: 1) Pay raise, benefits, etc. 2) Fire all the firemen (no pun intended), and hire new ones who won't complain. I think Reagan (or bush?) did the latter to the US air traffic controllers when they went on strike in the 80s. It worked quite well, even if it was a bit extreme. |
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So you are happy for MPs to get 40%? That's what they awarded themselves this year. Firefighters's pay actually starts at £21K not £23K and their pay has fallen well behind since the pay structure set up in 1977. Police start on £23K and they do nothing but sit on their arses. Firefighters pull people out burning buildings so I'm totally behind them. |
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They pull bodies out of buildings and cut people out of car wrecks. Imagine the shit they see. I am appalled at the wages people in 'useless' professions get paid; marketing execs, consultants, chief execs, overpaid journalists etc. They serve only one function; to line their pockets. All public sector workers should get a pay rise as their jobs are essential and actually involve doing some work. Why begrudge the firefighters more money just because you get a shit wage? Fight for more wages for yourself rather than bitching about those who are prepared to fight their corner. |
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I know, isn't it ironic that "Green Goddess" actually sounds like a type of firework? ;) Jonesy: Whilst some consultants are usless and eat up money, some, particularly relating to systems actually vastly increase a companies productivity, without layoffs or "negative" effects. Because of the huge changes made as a result of their recommendations, even a 1% increase in efficiency can save £1,000,000s in a large multi-national. XLR: I think it is legal- I know the police can't strike though. I think it's only: police and armed forces that cna't legally strike here. Maybe politicians too (although they don't really have need too ;) ) |
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Jonesy I bow at your words of wisdow...... |
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But those savings are never passed on to the rest of the workforce. |
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GEORGE BAIN is the man New Labour got to produce an inquiry saying firefighters are well paid-and he's on £160,000 a year. Bain, who is the vice-chancellor of Queen's University Belfast, gave himself a 50 percent pay rise. Yet he says a rise in firefighters' pay to £30,000 is "unjustified". He attacks firefighters who are forced into doing second jobs to make ends meet. Bain's got two second jobs, as a company director, and certainly can't claim to be hard up. He also talks of modernisation and restructuring the fire service. In 1998 he oversaw a "restructuring" package at Queen's University. It resulted in "letting go" over 107 long term staff and cutting whole departments. |
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You're right- I've often thought people would be far more welcoming of "clearing out the deadwood" and "rationalisation" if it meant a 5% rise for all the other staff kept on... |
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But unfortunately capital is at the centre of this wonderful system we have. For capital to survive it must expand and clear away the detritus in its path. |
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it goes without saying all politicians are crooked i don't belieive they should have the right to strike, and after this fiasco eventualy gets sorted, i think their right will be taken away btw most of the civil service got 1.5% pay rise, (apparently) in line with inflation |
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Jonesy, I'm not in a union. If I fight for higher wages in the way the firemen do , I get the sack. Your no-punches-pulled workers-rights banter is laudable but also naive . I'm not bitching about my wage. I know the score, I do it willingly. I'm aware of the inequalities in this society , I've worked voluntarily helping the sick and unpriveleged , I've seen people on 7 or 8 k per year in my nieghbourhood grafting long hours to keep a roof over their heads. Sure, pay the nurses & teachers more but not so much as to bust the economy with inflation. Pay the firefighters more, but not whatever they ask for when they're playing games with peoples lives. Perhaps you're not aware that whilst some firefighters do operate cutting equipment, the victim support at accident scenes is usually administered by Ambulance crews (mainly paid less than the firemen). Police, nurses & Ambulance drivers all deal with equal horrors regularly (and I don't envy them) for middling wages. Long distance lorry drivers, young soldiers and overseas volunteers all put their lives on the line for considerably less than 21-23K per year. If the firefighters union were demanding fair pay for all I'd support them but they're not. They're announcing to the world that they are special, unique & precious amongst the working classes. It's disingenuous and offensive that a profession which has a surprisingly high safety & low-fatality record ought to be masquerading as precisely the opposite ; egged on no doubt by the publics 9/11 empathies with them. In a properly run fire-service (unlike the shambles that cost so many lives in New York) , firefighters minimise personal risk by training and excercising caution. You make it sound like they're always running into burning houses unprotected ; and coming out with a child over each shoulder. I'm not saying they don't do a fantastic job ; but their day-to-day tasks & experiences are mundane and routine 99% of the time. This "Fight for fair pay throu |
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"Fight for fair pay through strikes!" utopia sounds great , but watch it end in mass union walk-outs , mass public disillusionment , and the election of an ultra-right wing government to pile in & rule with an iron fist (as in the late 70's after unions commandeered the Labour movement.) Thanks for your input though, I like to think its healthy to share alternative views without a stubborn ego-driven argument kicking in... *opens the floodgates* LoL ;) |
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the reason they can get away with striking is that they just get on with their other jobs in the meantime |
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another reason this country sucks - the parasites in parliament give themselves huge payrises and then turn round to the real pillars of society and say they can't afford to reward them fairly - nurses firefighters and more are the ones truly deserving of that mp's pay boost . no wonder less and less people bother to vote |
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